These games have been so bad this week so tight

H: I have around 500 youngest at the table no one has really been getting in my way. Standard raise and take it a lot

V: he has around 600 also young as well. He hasn’t really gotten too out of line yet.

Have seen him have it in the few hands he showed down

OTTH: I raise to 12 in the HJ WITH Ah 10d

He defends in bb

(25) Flop 10h 9s 2d

He bets 15 we call

Weird lead by him

Turn Qd he bets 30 and we call

River he bets 60

Kind of weird spot here thoughts?

River is Qh sorry

would fold river and i dont think it is particularly close. has QJ and 89 as bluffs. Maybe KdJd type hands. but vegas LLSNL are nitty as they come unless it is a busy weekend.

He has KQ/QJ here very often. Fold river, and as nitty as it is, fold turn.

Sucks, but I think it's a fold. Also, I think you're having a rough time because you're playing in the big poker fan rooms, namely Aria and Bellagio. Sure, you can see Jen Harmon or Doyle or something, but I just haven't found the games to be that great. Take a cab downtown to the Nugget or I've found more success at places that attract a bit younger/drinking crowd like PH or Hard Rock. Not sure how great they'd be mid week in December though. Also, worth checking out if there's a decent convention or something going on...

It’s sad to see the games declining from the small sample size I have here. Maybe it’s cuz the 5 diamond? I was doing amazing at the bellagio but the rooms full

I’m still having a profitable trip just not as much as I had in the past.

The games are so tight here so many “pros”

Not sure if it's really declining, sure it's not the way it was 10 years ago. I live in MD and there are 3 pretty active poker rooms within 45 mins or so that are all quite active, although Live! Doesn't spread the games it once did. In my experience, the biggest thing with Vegas is games can fluctuate a ton. Vegas games are better in the spring and summer when people are out by the pool drinking and having a good time, or when there's big events going on (like conventions, concerts and March Madness). The latter happens all year, but the Vegas doesn't attract too many general tourists in winter.

raise flop lead? we have a lot of hands to protect against/extract value from...imagine we can raise a decent amount as a bluff as well...as played i'd prob fold turn. river i prob just fold these guys just always seem to have it

While calling the turn (and probably even calling down) is right form a theory standpoint, folding the turn is OK. You're getting less than 3:1 and are drawing thing against any value hand he might have. Against a villain who underbluffs, which most LLSNL players do, just fold the turn.

I dont really give credit for him triple donking a set/FD here, and if he rivered trips pay the man his money. The Q makes it less likely he has QJ/KQ. People who triple donk are often merging or just plain out spazzing ime. I guess we could fold weaker 10x but I can't lay down 10x top kicker.

He ended up having KJ which is interesting to me. Definitely a good check raise candidate on that board.

But I called cuz I think he could spazz and have a weaker 10 and don’t give him credit for a Queen

I would call, it's at least close and I want to see what he has. This is definitely a nonsense line.

Yeah, I'm not surprised at all to see him show up with KJ. Can't believe a lot of people are wanting to fold ott when we can beat a lot of worse hands that are merging (10x/pair + draw ->>>> J9/J10) and all bluffs/spazzes, and the river pairing the Q is actually very good for us.

i love the line up to the river. The thing is we have to call the turn, since we beat many of his value bets (JT, J9, KT). and once the the river hits i expect us to be good most of the time... then he bets. Once he bets it takes out many of the hands that we were beating. Actually if he checks the river I think we have a very clear value bet. But once he bets the riv I just fold it. Since TX isnt betting for value, and he doesnt really have any pure bluffs.

General rule of LLSNL: People don't bluff on the river. They may overestimate their strength, but they don't truly bluff.*

I probably don't call the turn donk. A BB caller who check calls the flop then leads the turn strikes me as a pure level 1 thinker. He liked his cards enough to not fold pre, liked the flop enough to not fold, but went "oh, shiny!" on the turn. Given that the turn card is higher than our pair, I probably bail. (I say that now, while away from the table. My actual actions at the table may vary) I never would have suspected a KJ, I would've assumed AQ/KQ/QJ/Q9.

* This isn't always true, but if you assume it is, you'll be right way more often than you are wrong.

vegas $1/3 regs/locals dont merge

I have very little Las Vegas experience (so little that I probably shouldn't even comment), but +1 to this. I have a single hour's worth of experience in the 1/3 Aria game; it was literally the worst table (in more ways than one) that I have ever played at. Meanwhile, I found my handful at sessions at the Golden Nugget to be much more enjoyable / far better action. But, as I say, very lol sample size.

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Interesting. I play PLO at Aria, but often sit in a NLHE game while waiting. In my experience (usually there three to five times a year; enough that the dealers and regs know me), 1/3 is full of passive, tight rec players who are easy to exploit. The 2/5 is reg infested. The 5/10 is also reg infested, but a pretty good game.

interesting will check it out when i'm in town, last time I was in Vegas I found the games at Caesars to be rather soft.

Call, whole hand is fine.

It is close to impossible to appreciate how nitty these Vegas low stakes nits are. It is theoretically terrible and very exploitable, but just fold the turn. I absolutely hate the feeling I get after paying these types off.

I was in vegas for several weeks this summer during WSOP and I found that it's really important to game select. You've got tons of rooms. I played 2/5 at the Aria and got up within 30 minutes, theres absolutely no reason to play in a tough game if an easy one is around the corner.

I don’t understand the love for aria honestly... like it’s insane how reg heavy it is especially during the day

Vegas during the WSOP is a lot different than during other times of the year.

That game is a collection of the worst players in the world.