1st PAHWM so bear with me if I'm doing something wrong

UTG limps (covers) - abc reg
UTG+2 (covers) makes it $15 - no reads

Hero OTB ($270) looks down at AQ

id call and see what happens behind me. no reads at all? is the raiser old or young? old men dont raise very much.

eh regardless id just call preflop.

Flat.

Without any reads, I would also flat.

Flat w/o reads on UTG+2.

Ok seems the consensus was to flat vs EP open. However I decided to 3bet to $45

Here SB(loose, not too passive)/($160) flats $45, utg limper flats and EP raiser (MAWG) also flats. I was very surprised by this action in real time, as the table was not super active and was having a hard time figuring out how AQs was playing 4way here.

Flop T95 ($180)
SB, UTG, UTG+2 check to Hero
Hero?

A lot of times the guy flatting the three has AK so i like flatting over three, as played i would bet 100 to represent KK or AA here.

Check. Given the prevalence of draws you can't really b/f. Jam would be 225 into 180, you want to be taking it down like 50% there, which doesn't seem likely against 3 players.

Bet 100 is the nutlow option, we aren't getting 3 folds on a board with a T9 suited combination and then we are left basically committed without a hand. Too many hands connect w/ this board and we don't have any drawing equity.

I probably play 3bet pots too aggressively to the point of a leak and I think checking is our best option on this board

If we wanted to play this aggressively we should just jam this flop, but I wouldn't recommend that, though it probably works some % of the time (but not enough). For all we know now, our A or Q are counterfeited.

With the T9 & s on board, I am always checking vs. 3 Vs. Even when OTB. It connects with too many hands.

You could argue that someone holding ATs, KT, JTs, T9s or a set would donk into you OTF and that a hefty c-bet might just work. Also a Q might give someone 2 pair, or a str8, although not likely. However, what did SB cold call $45 with, not to mention UTG who limp called pre.

I don't like my hand.

I'm not blocking the A & Q flush draws though.......but I only have 4 outs to a pair that doesn't also bring in the flush.

I think the flop contains too many of the reasons against a C-bet:

--- Pot is multiway. (The more players, the worse)
-- Flop has a flushdraw
-- Flop contains a Ten and a card somewhat near a ten
-- Flop is monotone
-- Flop is very connected
-- Flop is low
- OOP
- Opponent rarely folds to cbets ?
- Your hand may have some limited showdown value. ?

Good post! Agree

Check 4-way including a short SB. Giving up on most turns.

@fishsoup, Thanks, but all I did was copy/paste a post by Polk about a decade ago.

I am also checking this flop.
It's just too coordinated with other players hands and we don't have any good draws here.

This and I don't think it is particularly close. HU, u bet, 3 way VERY marginal...4 way betting is suicidal.

Unless we have reads that UTG+2 can get out of line, I just fold preflop. RIO vs IO ain't great facing a tight EP raising range and we're not going to go multiway enough where I can bump up my immediate odds / IO. It's definitely nitty on the Button, but I'm a nit, so. It's also fairly important that we don't have reads on the raiser; we have no clue if he has a fold button, or is a calling station, or what, so any play we make will be a guessing game as to whether it is going to work.

I'm done with the hand on the flop unless I improve (and even then I might still be done with it depending on action).

GboringnitG

Really?! I mean really?? Now if you mean UTG+2 raising to $15 with 22-88, or even 55-88 is "getting out of line" and 99+ is a solid player, well then maybe.

You must have a horrible rake structure and/or play @ a casino where the games play TIGHT.

As the consensus, I checked back
Turn A ($180)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 leads $40
Hero ?

Tempting, but i think it's too thin to raise. Call.

+1. Raising would be an overplay with two players yet to respond to that bet. I flat here and fold to any backraise.

as played call the turn (I'm also checking the flop 4 ways).

I would have preferred a 3bet pre but in this case hero has only 90 big blinds. It's not really enough to maneuver post flop in a 3 bet pot.

We need 35% to jam the flop. We're 27% to hit an Ace, Queen or running Broadway.

I would have flatted the first time around, but now that we're here we might as well continue telling the story that we have AA/KK.

We can fold out better on the flop and make a thin value shove vs. non-blocked draws and OESD's. If they hold the A or Q our equity improves further.

Given we only started the hand 90 BB's deep I really don't mind being aggro here.

If the bet wasn't so small on the turn I might actually lean to a hero fold, and it still actually might be best. We have no draw, and the original EP raiser who called a 3bet preflop is now donking into the 3better who looks like he's turned his hand face up on the table as a whiffed AK. What, we think this is AJ?

GbutIfoldeasy,sowhateverG

This hand is why you 3-bet AQs pre and not A5s. Pre is good.

Betting flop seems suicidal four ways.

Obviously don't fold turn, lol. There are too many hands to list that he could have that we beat. Honestly we almost always have the best hand here, probably like 90% of the time. His sizing is not value. If he thinks we have AK why wouldn't he check/raise?

With this SPR I'd just jam. Equity denial is important.

I prefer 3! Pre as well though I think $45 is a little more expensive than it needs to be.

As played turn is a close decision between call and raise, we want to protect our hand from draws when ahead. I think call is generally correct but when it is not it is a very large mistake

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk