NY private game
Game runs 3 tables and starts at 2pm. It’s 11pm. I just made my way from table 2 to table 1 (where all the better players are because they either start there at 2pm or have chips for long enough to get moved from table 3 to table 2 to table 1).

Villain: young Asian guy, sitting next to his two friends, having a good time. Never played with him before. Has two huge towers of greens. Would say about $3k in front of him.

H: MAWG with nice white shirt (came from a restaurant opening).

This is my first hand at that table.

OTTH
One MP limper
H ($500) CO AQos raises $15
Folded to V SB who looks at me from the side, asks how many chips I play with. I smile and answers “thousands” and move away from the table so he can see my chips.
He 3bets $65.

Hero?


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Never call.

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Im assuming this is 1/3?

Lot of options on the table. You could flat or 4bet and either cant be too bad. I would probably take the less complicated route and shove and refuse to play poker, picking up the (probably) free 65 bux laying out there. If I was inclined to call it would be to make a semi bluff shove with overs on the 90% chance he will cbet as long as its not a super coordinated board. If you 4bet I like a smaller 150-160ish one since you are in position but this is really dangerous since this V type can easily donk shove the flop and take the play away from you.

If you have no other buyins you can play it safe and call and see a flop and fold unimproved which is the worst EV option but keeps you in the game.

Folding and just losing $15 and probably getting outplayed isn't the worst thing in the world either since you just sat down and have 0 reads.

Shove or fold.

Readless vs that sizing i’d just let it go. If he had made it smaller i 4b but generally when people make it that “big” oop (it’s actually a somewhat std sizing), they are less likely to fold imo. Calling is rly meh and 4b is somewhat spewy and awk since we are putting in over 1/3 our stack. Ofc this is all completely terrible in theory since doing anything but defending AQo co vs sb 3b is horrible but as an exploit it’s more than fine to fold here with no reads, even tho he’s asian and he prob didnt get that stack bt playing 7/5

Yes 1/3


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Readless, I probably just let it go. It's possible he simply got his huge stack by getting in gobs of money preflop with AA against hands that are crushed. It's also possible he got it by getting in gobs of money preflop with 75soooted and sucking out. I'm not willing to risk 200bbs at this point to find out which one it is.

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My reads/thinking were:
Only a LAG guy can run up a stack like that in this game at table 1 (generally tight). So def not 7/5, but probably not even close to 20/16.
Asking me what my stack size was felt like “is this guy gonna feel pot committed already, I don’t want him to shove a $150 stack?”


I quickly shoved from thinking above and he folded.

Couldn’t decide the next day if I should pat myself on the back for a strong feel/quick read play or if it was really stupid POVs seems to be mixed here depending on how risk averse people are.



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Those games in NYC are great, and I'm sure he was testing the waters. I don't know if shoving was necessary, but it's raise or fold vs. those guys. I think $175 or so looks even "scarier" than $500, but you have to be prepared to shove any flop and call a few. If he was as strong as JJ+, I think he would have called a shove, but you never know.

Great indeed. If only they had reasonable rakes

To be clear, with a 4bet of $175, are we folding to 5bet shove?

Generally players in this game refuse to fold in 3-4bet pot if they hit anything on the flop so I preferred to take it pre vs the greedier/riskier line of 4bet/flop shove that they would call if they hit something.

I agree with JJ+ potential call. But don’t know him so hard to say.


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No kidding.

That would actually depend a little (could be quite a bit) on my feel of opponent, how willing I was to gamble (obviously you are ) and what bankroll I have on me.

Makes sense.
But the gamble seems much higher than pre shove because his range narrows (maybe significantly) with the 5bet.
I think I would need to know him better to go there.


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Yes, the 5bet from him usually does narrow his range, which lets you fold if it seems like the right move. And because it (should) narrows his range, we probably should fold AQo.

Shoving just let's him call with better or a strong flip (with you behind) and fold everything else. But it worked out fine

Im not folding when I put in over 1/3 of my stack. Ive seen stuff like this before where the guy folds QQ and the person who shoved tables 22. If you are planning on folding to a 5 bet just let it go when you've only committed $15.

Asian with 3k in front of him at 1/3 and you guys wanna fold...smh. Call or 4 bet to 215 are both solid options, I prefer a call personally. If you 4 bet you need to call it off.

I would probably call too with position plus I can see how he plays poker better instead of raise or fold.

4-betting to $215 is lol sizing and calling off a shove is pretty bad, vs a very loose range of JJ+, AKo at 100% frequency you don't have enough equity to call. That's a very optimistic range given H is completely unknown and put in 43% of his stack vs a dec size 3b 166bb deep.

that being said, i take back what i said and take a flop ip. AQo plays well in low spr pots and it's somewhat too strong to 4b bluff vs a guy who's most likely 3-betting quite wide, would rather use possibly AJs as a 4b bluff or KQo/KJs.