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03-23-2016 , 12:55 PM

de4df1sh

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300 eff

HERO/BTN
CO straddles 15
HERO 45 AQo
Folds to black laggy V who appears he is about to call 15, notices I have raised and makes it 145
CO folds
HERO?

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03-23-2016 , 12:57 PM

samdabam

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folds, unless there is more info on V or history.

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03-23-2016 , 01:03 PM

Gilmour

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Originally Posted by samdabam

folds, unless there is more info on V or history.

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03-23-2016 , 01:08 PM

Richard Parker

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And also your perceived image.

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03-23-2016 , 01:52 PM

suited fours

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AQ tends to suck against tight ranges. AJ in his range probably gets you to marginal +EV. So it'd be nice if he's wider than that. Almost call could be a false tell. At 20bb AQ is an easy gii hand in theory tho.

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03-23-2016 , 02:02 PM

Javanewt

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Wait, he's going to call and then decides to 3bet (or is it 4bet with a straddle?)? How laggy? I probably commit if he's doing this really wide, but you need to know that.

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03-23-2016 , 02:04 PM

Javanewt

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Also, does CO usually raise his straddle (or does anyone behind V raise often)? If he was expecting to limp/raise, this could be an easy fold.

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03-23-2016 , 02:05 PM

DeadMoneyWalking

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Trying to imagine a lag trying to mess with a $45 raise. I can't. They usually avoid the obvious one unless they think you are stealing.

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03-23-2016 , 02:07 PM

wj94

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Folding is fine but I'd probably shove.

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03-23-2016 , 02:10 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

And also your perceived image.

This is pretty much all that matters unless the guy is just in full spew mode, but even then it's close. The "was gonna call" read can easily have been an angle from this guy anyway, perhaps.
Just fold now and next time consider flatting the button strong and playing back at a squeeze if he's Laggy enough.

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03-23-2016 , 02:21 PM

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de4df1sh

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at 20bb why is this not an easy GII?

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03-23-2016 , 02:25 PM

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Javanewt

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

at 20bb why is this not an easy GII?

If you think it's an easy gii in this situation against this player, why did you ask?

We have questions and the answers might change the immediate desire to gii.

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03-23-2016 , 02:28 PM

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erpdlof

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it just depends on his range

it's really just up to you to have a feel for the dynamic

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03-23-2016 , 02:30 PM

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de4df1sh

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This is same V from my AA post, in that post he had QTo opened 16 (large) called flop with second pair and turned hand into bluff on river on KQxjx ccc.

In my game young black guys are generally bad aggressive.

but regardless of all that, are we not committed baring super strong reads (omc) at 20bbs?

obviously cannot call so have to ship or fold.

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03-23-2016 , 02:32 PM

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suited fours

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

at 20bb why is this not an easy GII?

It is if your villain is appropriately wide. You need 41%, you're 36% against aq+, 88+.

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03-23-2016 , 03:04 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

but regardless of all that, are we not committed baring super strong reads (omc) at 20bbs?

FWIW, most of your opponents won't consider it "just 20bbs" due to the big straddle. They'll consider it $300.

Gthere'sadifferenceG

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03-23-2016 , 03:23 PM

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Gilmour

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What GG said above, totally agree.

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03-23-2016 , 03:44 PM

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Mr. Curious

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100 BB stack
V1 straddle for 5 BB
Hero raises to 15 BB
V2 3! to 48 BB after considering calling

Question #1 - how often does V1 raise their straddle?
Question #2 - does V2 expect V1 to raise their straddle?
Question #3 - why did you raise > 10% of your stack without a plan?
Question #4 - what range does V2 put you on when you raise?
Question #5 - what range do you put V2 on with their 3!?

Answer those and your action should be obvious.

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03-23-2016 , 03:48 PM

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PFunkaliscious

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shoving all day. expect him to flip over some middle pair.

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03-23-2016 , 04:16 PM

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RAHZero

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Need more info on V. If the about to call then raise move is a reliable tell, then ship it as you're almost always flipping and occasionally ahead. Given that he had QTo in the other hand, I'm shipping as V seems like a button-clicker.

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03-24-2016 , 01:57 AM

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DeadMoneyWalking

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

at 20bb why is this not an easy GII?

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

FWIW, most of your opponents won't consider it "just 20bbs" due to the big straddle. They'll consider it $300.

Gthere'sadifferenceG

this

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03-24-2016 , 02:37 AM

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BirdsallSa

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The about to call thing makes me want to fold even more.

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