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1/3 AQ in the SB 1/3 AQ in the SB

10-21-2017 , 12:27 PM
Thoughts,

1/3 game effective stack is 225

V: middle aged Asian man not really playing a lot of hands. Seems to be mostly tight passive. He did get caught bluffing once. Only played with him for 2 hours.

H: by far the most aggressive player at the table. The table is extremely passive. Only went to showdown once and I had the nuts. I would prob say V is the second best player at the table

OTTH: v is UTG+ 1 and raises to 7, the button calls 7, I’m in the SB and reraise to 22 with AQ off Only V calls.

Flop (50)

Q 7 9 rainbow

I lead for 25 and he calls

Turn (100) is a King completing the rainbow. I bet 50 he tank calls. I figure this is a better card for my range than his

River (200) is a jack I though for awhile and decide to bet 125 essentially putting him all in

Thoughts?
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10-21-2017 , 12:41 PM
Maybe a little more pre. When I’m 3betting out of the blinds I like to make it a little more than normal due to being oop postflop. I’m fine with the play until the river where I would x/evaluate
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10-21-2017 , 01:13 PM
If these are the normal raises that are taking place, PF sounds good. Maybe shoot for 5x 3bet oop, somewhere around 35, that should push out anything less than premium and narrow the range significantly.

With your eval of him being tight passive, id put him on KQs, JTs, AK, or JJ-AA on the flop call. 40 May have been a slightly better bet here, removing some of the draw odds.

I disagree with your thoughts about the turn. Tight, UTG, this card is bad news. Competes the draw, makes TP or two pair. If he calls here, he's at least got something to go to showdown with presumably.

On the river, what's the purpose of the bet? At this point, you can beat air, QT, and that's about it. You're only getting called with cards that beat you, and if he made his hand on the turn, you're not bluffing him off of it. I'd check and see what he does. If he bets, you're beat. If he checks, then you can pray for air.



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10-21-2017 , 01:29 PM
I honestly thought if I put him all in on the river He would fold anything except a straight
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10-21-2017 , 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard32
I honestly thought if I put him all in on the river He would fold anything except a straight


7 to open is a tiny raise PF. Was that normal for him? At the tables I play at, that would be someone screaming for calls (assuming they're a basic rec player), id be assuming JJ-AA.


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10-21-2017 , 03:17 PM
He only opened 2 other times I believe to 10. He didn’t go to shwodown
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10-21-2017 , 04:19 PM
Raise to 30 pre.

Check/evaluate the turn.


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10-21-2017 , 06:17 PM
Here's the problem. He called your flop bet with something. His range: KQ, QJ, J10, 99, and 77. Q10 and s/mid pp's also possible but not that likely to get there from a tight player and need to be discounted substantially. Once K hits the turn, you are behind his range. You are against a passive player in a 1/3 game (itself a passive game.) He probably bluffs much less than he should. Just check it down. If he bets for size, you are probably beat. River bet is terrible. My advice would be different against a splashier opponent.

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 10-21-2017 at 06:23 PM.
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10-21-2017 , 06:24 PM
I know i agree with it being very terrible on my part
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10-22-2017 , 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard32
I honestly thought if I put him all in on the river He would fold anything except a straight
You probably have no tens in your 3b range though so now it just looks like a bluff
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10-22-2017 , 09:51 PM
35 pre.
35 flop
x/f turn

Turn and river were spew
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10-22-2017 , 11:39 PM
looks like jb has it well covered here.

probably fold pre given tight passive open utg1. call probably only a little bad. if you're gonna 3!, standard strat would be a lil over pot, which means 35.

probably go a lil more otf

turn and river look like button clicking.
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10-23-2017 , 10:34 AM
Given V description I flat preflop. Most players I do expect a small preflop raise to be a sign of weakness and AQo a clear 3b for value. But that's if they are regularly making larger raises. If someone almost never raises preflop and then they raise small, you're better off inferring their range from their raise frequency rather than making a read based on sizing.

AP I check turn and river. You don't beat anything V is likely to call with or even have in his hand after r/c pre. If V is thinking he realizes it's really hard for you to have the Tx you are representing with a river jam, if he's not he is just not folding whatever one hand an hour he plays and r/c's pre.
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10-23-2017 , 04:37 PM
Anything to make of the lol $7 minraise? This is typically a juicer at my table, but every once and a while it is a big hand attempting to get a cowboy to 3bet; at a generally passive table this is a bad play, but since we're cowboying a lot (or have we or anyone else been 3betting?), maybe he's targetting us? Course I also just noticed this lol raise only got called in one place, WTF, is that how this table is playing? This raise would go 12ways at my 10handed table.

With these stacks, I'd probably lean towards juicer and 3bet. Being OOP and against a decent player, we're pretty cool with taking it down now or putting in a big junk of our stack to commit on TP, so I'd 3bet to at least $40. We 3bet way too small, giving him good setmining odds in position in a pot where we likely won't be able to get away from TP given the SPR.

SPR on the flop is 4, so again, unlikely we're able to get away from TPTK. Plus he can easily make us play for stacks with just 2 big bets or 3 measly ones, hence why preflop sizing is so bad. Board is pretty drawless, plus this guy doesn't seem like an idiot who is going to pay off with worse. So I check the flop. I'm basically looking to get one more bet out of this guy, and if more than one bet goes in, it is *much* better if he is doing the betting than us (otherwise we are repping a super strong hand which means his hand becomes a lot more stronger to start calling down). I guess we do have an aggro image, so you could argue for bet/bet/bet for stacks, but then again the only time we've gone to showdown we had the nuts, so I wouldn't be too convinced we show up with the best hand very often if that happens (unless we coolered KQ).

Turn is a terrible card. You're right, it hits our range. So why are we betting? If we had air, it would be a better bet. But we're trying to get paid off, and how is a card hitting our range going to help that? Also, the most obvious draw just got there (JT). Plus the most obvious worse hand he could have just improved (KQ). I check and probably don't even call a bet (he's not bluffy, right?).

On the river I'm assuming we're turning our hand into a bluff repping the T? Might work. I think our hand is showdownable enough to just check/fold.

Overall, I think we spewed money all over the place.

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