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1/3 another line check vs whale. 1/3 another line check vs whale.

02-12-2018 , 11:01 PM
Hero has A♣️A♠️ has a tight image but I highly doubt V is paying attention nor cares. 270

Sb (covers) is playing atc, on his 6th it 7th beer since I been on the table. C/c super wide (3rd pair or under pair on flops) C/r too pair with any kicker, and making large size bets at that. On a slight upswing rn running hot.

2 limo,Folds to H in MP, 20, only sb calls.

Flop (45ish): K♥️4♦️3♦️ sb donks 40, call
Turn (125): T♣️ x, 60, call
River (245): J♣️ x, hero all-in for 150.



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02-12-2018 , 11:20 PM
Seems fine. I would probably bet 85-95 ott but I don't think it makes much of a difference
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02-13-2018 , 01:05 AM
Fair point, turn bet sizing could be a little bigger since this V calling range isn’t really effected by another 20-30


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02-13-2018 , 01:31 AM
hi there, pretty standard line, I like it as played,

what do you do if it comes turn diamond, and he bets out again ??

would have been an very interesting spot ,,,

cheers
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02-13-2018 , 01:34 AM
Agree turn is too small, otherwise fine
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02-13-2018 , 01:43 AM
looks fine to me. I even like the turn sizing, since donkbets are usually awful hands I think we do well maximizing EV here to string him along with whatever he thinks is worth donkbetting with.
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02-13-2018 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by adummmmm
hi there, pretty standard line, I like it as played,

what do you do if it comes turn diamond, and he bets out again ??

would have been an very interesting spot ,,,

cheers
I think I'm still going with my hand. V has too many Kx in his donk range.
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02-13-2018 , 03:44 AM
seems like there's not too much discussion to be head. H ships, V folds.
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02-13-2018 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bdsinc2.0
Seems fine. I would probably bet 85-95 ott but I don't think it makes much of a difference
I think it does. Wet flop with both str8 and flush draws, especially vs a whale who (1) plays ATC and (2) is much more likely to call large bets. $60 is way too little OTT. I think $95-$105 seems better.
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02-13-2018 , 03:25 PM
Size up the turn, $85-$95.
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02-13-2018 , 06:40 PM
Sounds like easy money. From the description, he should have announced if he had AA beat by check raising.
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02-13-2018 , 08:58 PM
Line looks fine with a preference for a larger turn bet as played. I might raise flop to like $100-$110ish if you think V is so sticky as to call with marginal hands, but if definitely don't want to chase him away.
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02-14-2018 , 03:22 PM
With an SPR of 5 against this guy and a drawy flop, I'm feeling committed and looking to get it in ASAP; if he's outflopped me, I'm going broke. I raise the flop to like $120 to setup a trivial turn shove. A non-flush draw on the flop and I'm cooler with baiting in position by flatting.

As played, I ship the turn. ETA: I though he bet the $60 and we just called; I would have bet larger.

As played, I'm not exactly sure what to do on the river as quite a few hands moved a head of us. But I'm guessing most of those hands would have bet the river themselves, and a busted draw doesn't pay off anyways.

Overall against this guy, we should have got our money in ASAP before scare cards start rolling off to kill the action / hand, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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02-14-2018 , 04:25 PM
Any argument to raising flop vs described opponent?
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02-14-2018 , 04:28 PM
I would like a raise on the flop to $100-$110, and allin on the turn for $140-$150 to get money in ASAP in case of any scary card slow down the action.
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02-14-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Any argument to raising flop vs described opponent?
With nut blocker maybe. With black cards I prefer calling IP.
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02-15-2018 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
With nut blocker maybe. With black cards I prefer calling IP.
I mean given opponent description I think he's showing up here with Kx more often than not.

Calling is prob fine sometimes though, I just think both options are on the table
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02-15-2018 , 12:10 AM
I like min raising flop and jamming any turn. Except the king of diamonds LUL. I do think your turn sizing is too small. But other than that I don't mind the way you played it.
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02-15-2018 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
Line looks fine with a preference for a larger turn bet as played. I might raise flop to like $100-$110ish if you think V is so sticky as to call with marginal hands, but if definitely don't want to chase him away.
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
With an SPR of 5 against this guy and a drawy flop, I'm feeling committed and looking to get it in ASAP; if he's outflopped me, I'm going broke. I raise the flop to like $120 to setup a trivial turn shove. A non-flush draw on the flop and I'm cooler with baiting in position by flatting.

As played, I ship the turn. ETA: I though he bet the $60 and we just called; I would have bet larger.

As played, I'm not exactly sure what to do on the river as quite a few hands moved a head of us. But I'm guessing most of those hands would have bet the river themselves, and a busted draw doesn't pay off anyways.

Overall against this guy, we should have got our money in ASAP before scare cards start rolling off to kill the action / hand, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Any argument to raising flop vs described opponent?
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Originally Posted by PokerNoob@
I would like a raise on the flop to $100-$110, and allin on the turn for $140-$150 to get money in ASAP in case of any scary card slow down the action.


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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
I like min raising flop and jamming any turn. Except the king of diamonds LUL. I do think your turn sizing is too small. But other than that I don't mind the way you played it.


I think V is likely to c/r top pair in this spot, as oppose to lead. Furthermore, being IP I think it's fine just calling on the flop. I agree with raising flop to 80+ looking back. If we go 80 the pot has 285 and we're shipping 130/285.
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02-15-2018 , 05:10 AM
against a whale I like a x/r on the flop 100$

whales don't fold

after the x/r leaves us a pot size bet on turn we can get it in

he is calling all day with Kx here or a flush draw
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02-15-2018 , 11:38 AM
Well if we think hfs flop donking range consists mostly of flush draws, then sure we can go ahead and wait until the turn to jam his face.
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02-15-2018 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooo13zzz
against a whale I like a x/r on the flop 100$

whales don't fold

after the x/r leaves us a pot size bet on turn we can get it in

he is calling all day with Kx here or a flush draw
we're ip

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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Well if we think hfs flop donking range consists mostly of flush draws, then sure we can go ahead and wait until the turn to jam his face.
I think V more likely x/c or x/r top pair, and donks 66-99, FDs, SDs. At least that's what I saw this session.
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02-15-2018 , 08:37 PM
Grunch:

Raise flop to like 90. If he's calling any pair on flops and he's donking, he's not folding to a small raise. This would put the pot at 220ish with 160 behind and we can just shove turn. Although it's not super draw heavy, any diamond and possibly 2 or 5 may kill your action
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02-15-2018 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
With nut blocker maybe. With black cards I prefer calling IP.
Traditional logic is you should be more likely to raise with black aces and call with the Ad since you have less to worry about giving a cheap card if you have the Ad. Having the Ad also blocks one of your value targets, especially a whale who isn’t going to fold an over and the NFD
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02-15-2018 , 09:35 PM
Flop is debatable, depends what type of whale he is. Some people who I consider whales will bet with weak kings to find out where they are at and then raising lets them know you have a big hand. Some whales won’t care and will just get it in.

In general I don’t think there are enough action killing turns to justify raise here given that it’s a king high board and the straight is unlikely to hit you.
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