long time lurker, first time poster. Let's get straight to the sh*t.

1/3 nl at local casino. Table is not too aggressive, a lot of limped pots. Not many people getting too out of line (there's no obvious drunk people having fun at this table).

guy on my RIGHT (the villan, but i'll refer to him as "GOMR") is older 40's gentleman. Wearing pajama pants and a sweat shirt (really?) and was earlier sitting across the table from me in seat 3, and now has moved to seat 7 (I'm in 8). He's sitting on ~350. Effective stack is mine at $250.

action is as follows.

I'm in the co with 78. Few limpers in front of me including GOMR so I limp as well. We go 8 ways to a flop of 6109

Check around to a turn of Q and bb leads out for 15, and GOMR makes it 35. What do I do here?

there's 2 hands I'm behind, J8, and KJ, all other hands I have beat. Am I always dead here?

why didnt u bet the flop, yea u dead boi

overbet flop .. checking is ridiculously bad.

I mean...you're not always dead. You have one thing going for you--your hand strength is super disguised so they could be messing around with sets/two pairs. But that's not a good thing 8 ways where people can suck out on you with everything. You absolutely have to bet this flop. Checking it is awful.

As played, I say repop it to $100 and probably call it off unless these guys seem like they won't GII without the nuts.

LOL at checking OTF. Just....terrible. You're 8-way, you could've valued your hand against a ton of draws, 2 pairs, a set, etc.

I'm not a fan of overbets, but in this specific situation, I agree with ProBono.

And no, you're not always dead OTT. Although you are sometimes.

Everybody got a free turn card, and now you're left guessing between J8 or KJ, both of which have you by the balls.

Why do so many people love slowplaying? There are times to do it. Having almost the entire table in the pot isn't one of them. If somebody had 109, for example, you could have easily gotten all of his chips in the pot.

AP, make it $80.

Stopped reading and cried at 'flop checks through'. Came back and puked at 'am I always dead here'.

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Check...the...flop...? #facepalm

Welcome. Bet the flop as everyone says. I'd 3bet to $90. I could find a fold if a supernit comes over the top. I expect to see a lot of folds from BB and you get HU in position with GOMR.

PF: Fine

F (24): SPR is 10. "Check around to the turn..." Uh...wait...what...uh...did I hear that right? Why wouldn't you bet the flop? We flop the nuts, there are eight villains and we check? HUH? Do we hate money? There are so many hands that will call: Any T, Any 9, JJ+, two overs, KJ, J8, gutshots...so many! Our hand is the nuts but it's vulnerable, especially with 8 people in the hand.

T (24): So now KJ has the nuts. You've put yourself in a tough spot becasue you didn't bet the flop. Folding is way nitty. GOMR doesn't have to have J8 or KJ to raise, he could easily have a set or two pair. I'm calling here, but if BB raise GOMR, I think I have to lay it down.

So you hit a miracle flop and check? Not a good play.

I fold

Horrible flop check, but AP I'm cold calling and probably calling most rivers. Probably missing out on some value but whatever, I'm never folding to anything but a river shove but I don't see much value in 3betting this then since GOMR will be hesitant to pay off much with QT and Q9 but will certainly GII every time with two hands you're dead against.

since you butchered your hand just fold now

if you decide to call the $35 you might as well slide your whole stack to the dealer and say merry Christmas - and get up from the table.

Yeah since you didn't make the correct play on the flop just give up on trying to play the hand well at all. I like doing this with all of my hands to condition myself to have a negative relationship with making mistakes at the table.

Old guy raises in 8 way pot with action behind = the nuts. Bet the flop FFS.

Bet OTF and 85$/fold OTT

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Bet the flop. Checking is really bad.

As played, I'd cold 3bet the turn.

1/2 rule of thumb - people only raise straight boards in multi-way pots with straights. Hero has the worst straight and facing a bet and raise. Hero can beat 9 combos of sets (12 if you include unlikely QQ) and loses to 32 combos of bigger straights. We can probably include all J8 and KJ combos in V's range since this is a limped pot. I doubt V is raising with two pair and action behind on this board.

why did you check the flop? why? bet 8. some knucklehead will call that.

as played, call the 35. hope for a club. re-eval and possibly call river.

pretty much this

Its amazing how often the majority/groupthink is wrong on this forum but this time they're right. Fold turn as played, you're mostly praying for overplayed Q9 as ppl typically bet ten high boards otf when checked to in mp/lp with TP+ so we can tend to discount QT, sets here (absent further reads not presented by OP. The whole "he's old so fold" is a solid motto to go by but more detail on villain's play would be nice)

lol hand is lol. GL OP. AP, fold. Practice betting your strong hands.

I have a pretty good idea what OP's post count is going to stop at.

checking the flop is awful. now as played, call on the turn. see a river. play poker.