Look at it from the point of view of V1. Hero's range is AK, AQs, TT+, and a little BS.

16 combos of AK, 4 combos of AQs, 6 combos of TT, 6 combos of JJ & 1 combo of QQ = 34+ combos he beats, or ties.

6 combos of KK & 6 combos of AA = 12 combos he loses.

Figured that way, he wins 3 times and loses once and the pot is offering a little worse than 2:1.

Thinking about it that way, shoving into a thinking/educated player isn't a very good play.

All isn't lost though. In the future, you should check the flop into him after you connect, so you can check the flop when you whiff AK. He will remember this hand.

Now if V1 had folded and V2 had called, I would have liked the turn shove.

Thanks for posting.

LDO, I prefer my AK when IP.

I think if I 3! and got called in 2 spots, I'm leery of betting the flop without hitting it.

Once that cbet gets 2 calls again, I'm reluctant to ship it.


I don't think it was the wrong move, just a move I'm not making (yet).



Re: preventing the soul read.... I don't shove often... but when I do, I pause after doing it and when I don't get snapped I relax into causal/confident mode. Take a drink, open the arms, look around, maybe even talk with someone else.

I've found that, against weak opponents, fidgeting, taking a drink. etc. is something I can do to induce a call.

yah Mike Caro recommends that.

My point was that it isn't recommended when shoving AK unimproved to prevent a "soul read". In fact, anytime you make any substantial bet, your behavior should remain the same, unless you know a particular action will produce a particular result.

Dont forget we are playing 1/3 here.

"Figured that way, he wins 3 times and loses once and the pot is offering a little worse than 2:1."

The average 1/3 player isnt thinking like this.
Moat players arent capable of jamming the turn with a hand that QQ beat. Also most players arent capable of calling off with QQ or worse in such a big pot compared to stakes. And villain as described is the perfect villain to jam on.

I hadn't forgotten the game. Perhaps I just don't know how many 1/3 games play, but I doubt it.

My 1/3 game is a $500/table max game and we have a mix of fish, rec players, winning casual players, props (or former props), semi-pros and pros. So yea, it's very possible that 1/3 players can (and do) think like that.

As far as V's description goes, he is the exact type of player I would expect to understand something about ranges.

When they are overpairs to the board, you would be surprised. So many of them have a hard time folding hands like QQ-TT, and even when they think they are beat, just "have to see it". And that's assuming he isn't a thinking player.

I can see giving up or firing here. I think you just unluckily ran into the top of his range here with taking the latter approach