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07-27-2021 , 08:37 PM

Black98Red

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Hero - 750 - BB - MAWG - playing tight+solid so far.. table probably thinks I'm a tag, but is too loose to care

7 Handed

V1 - UTG - covers - 20s wg, seems tag, has used downbetting before... only seems to be playing premiums, top 15% of hands

V2 - SB - 300 - mawg - fish, playing about 80% of his hands.. raising about 30% .

Hero dealt AKdd

V1 raises 15, SB calls, Hero raises to 75, v1 and v2 call

225
3d3h5d
Hero 125, v1c, v2f

475
3d3h5d6c
Hero?

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07-27-2021 , 08:41 PM

Nippleman

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I check and evaluate.

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07-27-2021 , 08:54 PM

Gor24do

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is V1 good enough to fold 99-QQ to a 2/3rd pot bet? Your stack is now 550 and here is 475 in the pot, I don't think 2/3rd pot + shove river is good for sizing here, so I think we either check back or shove for max fold equity

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07-28-2021 , 08:34 AM

water69

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You gotta ship here. He SHOULD never have 3x or 55, you easily rep QQ+ and most players aren’t calling off 200+ BB with 1 pair.

You also likely have ~30% equity vs whatever he has, so we don’t even need very many folds at all to make this profitable. That being said I think we get easy folds up to JJ and I’ve even seen people fold QQ/KK in these spots where the pot is getting huge compared to the blinds if the person betting is viewed as solid/tight.

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07-28-2021 , 08:58 AM

SUYAPA

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I like a jam ott to put his 77-QQ in a tough spot where you very likely get folds from. If not you still have the nfd+2 overs.

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07-28-2021 , 11:38 AM

Puddles8554

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Originally Posted by SUYAPA

I like a jam ott to put his 77-QQ in a tough spot where you very likely get folds from. If not you still have the nfd+2 overs.

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07-28-2021 , 06:05 PM

Metnut

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Agree that we have to jam here.

How different do we play the hand without the club draw?

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07-28-2021 , 09:15 PM

madrobin

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Originally Posted by Metnut

Agree that we have to jam here.

How different do we play the hand without the club draw?

I assume you mean diamond draw, and in that event, your hand is much, much worse: fifteen outs against a high pair with the draw, six without. I would check this hand and fold to any decent sized bet. You just aren't getting the proper odds, including implied odds, to call any bet that doesn't give you a, say 4:1 overlay.

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07-28-2021 , 09:49 PM

Black98Red

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So, I did insta-jam for what the dealer counted out as 574 and our Villain tanks for what seemed like 3 or 4 minutes. He then calls, turns over QQ and we brick out..

I felt like he was the tightest player at the table and that he was capable of a big lay down, and even if he did call, we are almost getting direct odds to draw against his perceived range..

I just wanted to confirm it wasn't a massive overplay against this type of 1/3 villain.. Does anyone adjust sizing on the flop?

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07-28-2021 , 10:37 PM

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SUYAPA

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You can bet bigger otf to have a psb or a little less left ott in case only v1 calls. You have a huge overpair advantage. Also you can put a lot of pressure on v1 by betting bigger which you dont mind because you have so much equity and if you hit your flush or 2 overs you very likely wont get more money on future streets. Nobody should ever have a 3 here and they shouldnt have 55 unless v2 calls 1/4 of his stack with 55 or A3s.

edit: I dont know why but people often think when you overbet jam ott that your on a draw.
Why did you insta jam ott? In my experience people are often weak or bluffing when they insta jam or insta bet to look strong.

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07-28-2021 , 11:48 PM

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Nippleman

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Originally Posted by SUYAPA

edit: I dont know why but people often think when you overbet jam ott that your on a draw.
Why did you insta jam ott? In my experience people are often weak or bluffing when they insta jam or insta bet to look strong.

It happens more often than you think. Sometimes, they don't even wait for the turn and shove flop with naked flush draws.

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07-29-2021 , 10:50 AM

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Black98Red

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Originally Posted by SUYAPA

You know I was thinking about this and wondered if it factored into his decision making process.. I usually take it as a sign of weakness in villains.. I regretted it as soon as I did it, it happened really just out of habit. It's definitely a bad one I need to break.

He spent some time eyeing my face, and I was just looking at the muck.. does anyone else see that as a sign of weakness as well? I kind of wish I was staring at his stack/cards while he was looking for tells..

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07-29-2021 , 11:48 AM

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flopshove

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I think looking at the muck is good all the time (value and bluffs). The stare down can also be a tell of “trying to look strong, but actually weak”

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07-29-2021 , 12:13 PM

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ChaosInEquilibrium

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Yeah, I also like the jam ott. We should expect a fold often enough from his TT-JJ… and we have loads of equity against QQ (including the 4 bringing a potential for a chop). Unfortunate that we ran into the top of his range here.

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07-29-2021 , 12:49 PM

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PokerPrince

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I think you played the hand perfectly. Looks like you ran into one of the only hands he'd find a call with.

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07-29-2021 , 01:31 PM

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sdfsgf

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He spent some time eyeing my face, and I was just looking at the muck.. does anyone else see that as a sign of weakness as well? I kind of wish I was staring at his stack/cards while he was looking for tells..

I was just thinking about this the other day. I do this all the time (both bluffs and value), but I worry that it gets perceived as weak/nervous. That's fine when I want a call, but the other day I had a guy stare me down when I was bluffing and I wonder if he accidentally-correctly read my staring at the muck as weakness (because he probably doesn't know that I always do it).

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07-29-2021 , 01:38 PM

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PokerPrince

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Originally Posted by sdfsgf

It's hard to know what these tell detector guys are thinking. I mean, I think you're fine as long as you're just staring blankly at one spot. I remember one time getting tanked forever by some clown staring at the side of my face ... I gulped not because I was nervous but because my mouth had filled with saliva over the 4-5 minute period. Of course he snap called and picked off my bluff lol.

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07-29-2021 , 01:42 PM

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colt45ss

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too funny the other night some Villian death stared me after i shoved
after what seemed like 5 minutes really like one I said
"what are you staring at me for I am all in its the player behind you that you have to worry about.

Last edited by colt45ss; 07-29-2021 at 01:43 PM. Reason: typo

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07-30-2021 , 02:22 AM

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Osprey

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Originally Posted by SUYAPA

You have a huge overpair advantage.

Do you, against a tight UTG raiser? Are the 12 combinations of KK and AA enough to make up for all the other hands you're likely to 3 bet with? So, while villain almost certainly doesn't have KK or AA with this call here, villain raising UTG here may well show up with overpairs as part of his holding more frequently than Hero, depending on Hero's likely 3 betting range.

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07-30-2021 , 01:49 PM

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donkatruck

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This is why I hate AK from the blinds.

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07-30-2021 , 02:55 PM

#21

PokerPlayingGamble

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Originally Posted by donkatruck

This is why I flat AK from the blinds.

fyp

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07-30-2021 , 03:08 PM

#22

BHDonkey

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Originally Posted by donkatruck

This is why I hate AK from the blinds.

Used to be called "Walking back to Houston" because it busted so many players who overplayed it.

But that was in the old days!

Today we just triple-barrel from the blinds and stack off to bottom pair...cause, you know, a pair is tough to make!

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07-30-2021 , 03:28 PM

#23

SUYAPA

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Originally Posted by Osprey

Yeah we have the stronger overpairs.

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07-30-2021 , 10:53 PM

#24

Amanaplan

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This seems like spew against a fish, even with this much equity. I think 3b is far too big considering stacks and opponents. I think flop bet is embarrassingly large and a huge mistake. You forced yourself to ship turn now (and get called a lot) by the spot.

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07-30-2021 , 10:55 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by Osprey

If I were UTG I call AA/KK literally 100% of the time in this configuration.

I think you were getting at calling AKs pre yea? I think that play competes strongly w 3b here.

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