1/3, 9-handed

Typical 1/3 game. One or two thinking players, but most are passive calling stations. This is an average hand, but player type affects actions.

V is one of the thinking players, and he is extremely aggressive. Somewhere between TAG/LAG -- he gets tighter when he gets deep. He will put the pressure on and has no problem re-buying. He’ll three barrel with air, bet scare cards, calls 3bets wide, etc. He understands ranges and often runs over the table. However, he does have some respect for Hero’s game. Hero is TAG.

Other Vs are moot. Basically tight-passive, straight-forward players.

V (~$250, YWG) raises to $15 in EP, BTN calls, H (~$600, MAWW) calls in SB with AKdd. V is calling 3bets really wide and will put pressure on most flops, so I know I have to hit an A, K, or big draw or basically give up. In position I can take control of the hand, so I definitely 3bet in position.

Flop (~$40): 8cKc5h

Hero checks because V will bet his entire range. V bets $25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $85, V flats. Kind of odd, actually. FWIW, I think he'd shove AcXc.

Does anyone play this street differently?

Turn ($210): 9d

Hero? Seems like an easy shove, but opinions may vary. V has ~$150 left.

Does anyone do anything differently? Do you 3bet players like this w/ AKs from out of position? I would have 3bet every other player at the table.

With Villain only having a $250 stack, capable of calling wide, and already $30 of dead money in the middle (not huge, but not chicken feed either), I'd more lean to 3betting preflop. If we're afraid of him outplaying us preflop, I'd just raise to $70, which will setup about a PSB shove on any flop (or we can perhaps think of slowplaying if we hit and attempting to induce); this completely negates his positional advantage (and actually gives us the advantage of bluffing first when we whiff, about the only time being OOP is actually a benefit). Much more reason to flat here if we were deep, imo.

As played, SPR is 6ish on flop and against this guy we're likely committed (especially if we let him do the betting). I probably lean to letting him hang himself, so I likely check/call the flop to check/shove the turn.

The inducing bus has left the station once we check/raised the flop and got called and left ourselves with just 3/4 PSB left. I shove at this point.

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I would 3 bet pre

as played would he call off on a draw ?
if not check let him shove

Wait, what? GG is 3betting from OOP with something other than AA/KK? I might faint

Interesting, though. I'm not a fan of 3betting and shoving every flop. It seems like roulette.

If you 3bet pre, do you shove every flop?

He'd call off on a good enough draw. Not sure if he's shoving into me if I check unless he has AK beat or maybe a big draw, but he still might check behind with a big draw. He does respect my game and expects I have at least AK with my check/raise on the flop. This is one of the problems of being OOP.

He's calling 3bets wide which means our shove on whiffed flops is often simply for value / protection. If he makes a pair on the flop, we give ourselves 2:1 to chase our 3:1 overs, and that's assuming he manages to not fold third pair, so not a horrendous worse-caseish scenario.

For me 3betting is largely about stacks and whether I'm fine being committed. Against this guy for < 100bbs with some ~ok dead money, real easy commitment spot and playing our hand for it's big TP properties. For 200+bbs OOP, I'm much cooler flatting and playing a little multiway high SPR poker with a nice multiway hand.

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Its not though. It is pushing the preflop equity advantage that AK have, and makes sure we see all 5 cards and thus realizing our full equity.

3bet pre to 60ish, flatting from sb is a large mistake (especially after btn flat) forget what he’s calling you with, its a lot better if he calls you wide. There is nothing he can do in what should be an spr of 2 or less. You could seriously even forget to look at the flop and bet call easily.

$75 pre with $64 of dead $ in with Hero oop. If called, AI flop to maximize/realize equity when 83 bbs effective, including fold equity.

As played, AI.

Flop raise - if V is betting his entire range, your X/R theoretically folds most hands that are behind, no?

Meh I think pre is a mistake, especially from SB but xr flop -> shove turn standard.

I like to 3bet pre here since these a caller, which incentivizes us to develop a squeeze range, where our hand fits perfectly.

If it were just heads up I like a flat call more pre

Post flop seems WP if u shoved turn

Agree with Johnny and Hyperknit makes a great point about the squeeze range.

In general with V at 250, I try to keep it simple: 3b pre. I'm not letting the BTN flat and beat me with fricking 76o. AP: xr flop to gii turn is good.

If you've seen my posts I hate AK
against an EP NIT or OMC I would fold pre
but V is agro so I would 3-bet pre and check 95% of all flops to V with intent of check raise

I think post flop is too nuanced to say that we should make a plan to do X thing near 100% of the time before we even see the flop.

Against an aggressive raiser pf and being oop, I'm going to 3bet if I was you. Being around my age and as a woman, he's going to give your 3bet a lot of weight. If GG thinks calling is weak-tight, it is weak-tight. You'll get a lot of folds pf or on the flop with the raise.

As played, you're shoving the turn. TPTK isn't for slow playing on the flop and the 9 doesn't complete any draws.

3bet preflop to 80. If called, shove blind preflop.

Preflop pot size will be ~175, Villain stack size is ~170. You get to see all 5 cards if called.

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Preflop: 🤢. Please three bet. Stacks are such that you can just make it $75 and call off too. This is way too passive.

Flop: I mean...I don’t know. What are you getting value from specifically? It can’t be bad, we do have a strong hand.

AP yes please shove. Issue is, if we had just three bet pre, bet flop shove turn, we probably get it in against a much wider range than we do here. And this is a good case scenario for flatting AKs

Also strategies differ on textures like this. I’ve seen strong players bet small and jam turn. I’ve also seen strong players just jam immediately when SPR is anywhere close to 1. Both have merit. With our exact hand, I don’t think we’d want to be shoving flop at this SPR: we have a very strong hand, we aren’t particularly concerned about the turn (like if he has clubs and a turn club hits, we are gonna lose whether we jam now or later, and an overcard to our top pair results in us having top two)

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Yes, I knew I should have 3bet pre. I think in the back of my mind I was trying to "trap" him -- and I didn't like being OOP. The same result would have happened if I 3bet pre, however.

I no-brainer shoved the turn. V called, but only because the 9 gave him more outs. I'm pretty sure my check/raise confused him and slowed him down.

He told me after the hand that if I had 3bet, he would have called and called my shove on the flop, and I absolutely believe him. He had 7cTc.

Sadly, the river was the Jh.