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Old 05-23-2018, 08:40 AM   #1
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1/3 AK BTN play

Villain(550)- just sit down hour's ago.Very aggressive player. MABG.see 2 times 3bet.all won that hand without showdown.
Hero(1150)- played 6hours that table.try TAG image on table.

OTTH

Hero-AcKd on BTN. 2 limper open 20 on BTN.
V - 3bet 50 on BB.
Hero call 50.(107)

Kh9hQd on flop.
Villain Cbet 50.
Hero call 50.

10d on turn.
Villain tank and check.
Hero bet 100.
Villain check raised all in.

Hero?

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Old 05-23-2018, 09:24 AM   #2
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Re: 1/3 AK BTN play

Uh super easy insta fold? You beat nothing. You shouldn't even be betting the turn.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:24 AM   #3
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Re: 1/3 AK BTN play

You should 4b preflop to 125 btw.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:35 AM   #4
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Re: 1/3 AK BTN play

Agreed. 4b pre. Check back turn. As played, easy fold.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:43 AM   #5
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Re: 1/3 AK BTN play

4bet pre-flop. Raise flop.

As played, check turn. Now, fold.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:55 AM   #6
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Re: 1/3 AK BTN play

Without any reads on V, need to 4 bet pre, which would allow you to comfortably get it in on the flop. I wouldn't always 4bet AK, but because you have the button vs. blind dynamic, he could be 3! you light since you are open raising the button (which you should do with a decent chunk of your range).

As played, insta-fold.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:19 AM   #7
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Re: 1/3 AK BTN play

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Uh super easy insta fold? You beat nothing. You shouldn't even be betting the turn.
This.

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You should 4b preflop to 125 btw.
And this.
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Old 05-23-2018, 11:18 AM   #8
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Re: 1/3 AK BTN play

I think I'm ok with preflop. It's possible this guy has just gotten a couple of good 3betting hands and isn't really getting out-of-line, but for rather large $550 stacks I'm not sure I want to be 4betting to find out. Not in love with just flatting either as we'll miss so often and likely have to fold to a cbet, but at least we're in position. When I'm not in love with either play (4bet vs flat in this case), I typically take the lower variance smaller pot route so if I'm making a mistake it's typically a smaller one in terms of $$$ (and not a mistake that is going to define my whole session).

I'm also just calling the flop. It's a little drawy but it has sorta smacked a normal 3bet range pretty hard and we're not necessarily ahead and meanwhile don't want to fold out hands like JJ/TT (or air) right now.

I don't like the turn bet at all. A few other hands have moved ahead of us on this card and I'm really just looking to get to showdown. We'll probably have an interesting river decision and might have to consider bluffcatching just to see what this guy is doing but at least our last bet going into the pot will end the hand and we'll showdown (plus it's possible we hit our gutshot or a scare card might slow him down). As played, I think we have to fold (which is sort of a disaster as now we still don't know what's going on, but there's just too much that beats us).

ETA: Unlike others, without seeing what's he's showndown in the two measly times he's 3bet, I'm not ready to commit large 183bb stacks yet with a preflop 4bet (especially with no other dead money in the pot to offset flips). We just faced a 3bet deepish out of the blinds at live 1/3 NL, and I'll treat that with the respect it deserves until I have some solid info that says otherwise. Admittedly I'm not in love with flatting either, but I think its the best of two evils with our lack of information at this point.

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Old 05-23-2018, 11:26 AM   #9
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Re: 1/3 AK BTN play

yes I folded..so totally bad moved on turn.
I agreed with that.
next time I will 4! on BTN.
thank you for all advised.

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Old 05-23-2018, 11:37 AM   #10
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I think I'm ok with preflop. It's possible this guy has just gotten a couple of good 3betting hands and isn't really getting out-of-line, but for rather large $550 stacks I'm not sure I want to be 4betting to find out. Not in love with just flatting either as we'll miss so often and likely have to fold to a cbet, but at least we're in position. When I'm not in love with either play (4bet vs flat in this case), I typically take the lower variance smaller pot route so if I'm making a mistake it's typically a smaller one in terms of $$$ (and not a mistake that is going to define my whole session).

I'm also just calling the flop. It's a little drawy but it has sorta smacked a normal 3bet range pretty hard and we're not necessarily ahead and meanwhile don't want to fold out hands like JJ/TT (or air) right now.

I don't like the turn bet at all. A few other hands have moved ahead of us on this card and I'm really just looking to get to showdown. We'll probably have an interesting river decision and might have to consider bluffcatching just to see what this guy is doing but at least our last bet going into the pot will end the hand and we'll showdown (plus it's possible we hit our gutshot or a scare card might slow him down). As played, I think we have to fold (which is sort of a disaster as now we still don't know what's going on, but there's just too much that beats us).

ETA: Unlike others, without seeing what's he's showndown in the two measly times he's 3bet, I'm not ready to commit large 183bb stacks yet with a preflop 4bet (especially with no other dead money in the pot to offset flips). We just faced a 3bet deepish out of the blinds at live 1/3 NL, and I'll treat that with the respect it deserves until I have some solid info that says otherwise. Admittedly I'm not in love with flatting either, but I think its the best of two evils with our lack of information at this point.

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Not sure what you're saying here. You don't like a 4b and you don't really like a flat. Are you inferring that you prefer a fold here? Because if you are, honestly, just delete your forum account here and stop posting.

If you honestly don't like a 4b, then by default you have to support a flat or else you're inferring that flat/fold are close to each other, and that's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
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Old 05-23-2018, 12:32 PM   #11
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Not sure what you're saying here. You don't like a 4b and you don't really like a flat. Are you inferring that you prefer a fold here? Because if you are, honestly, just delete your forum account here and stop posting.

If you honestly don't like a 4b, then by default you have to support a flat or else you're inferring that flat/fold are close to each other, and that's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
I'm saying I don't love a 4bet or a flat, but I choose flat because I think it's the lesser of two evils here. We just faced a 3bet out-of-the-blinds at 1/3 live NL; until this guy has *proven* he has a wide 3bet range (and three 3bets in an hour simply doesn't prove this) I'm not going to go all crazy with huge 183bb stacks.

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Old 05-23-2018, 12:35 PM   #12
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Re: 1/3 AK BTN play

Are you betting the turn for value or as a bluff?
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