Btn is 30ish white female. She has been involved in a lot
Of hands and is drinking wine. Definitely betting far more then a typical female and saw her bet 80 percent pot with K5 on a JQJ9K river and do some other strong bets with top pair on scaryish boards. Doesn't appear to be the slow playing type. Can't really tell how bad she is yet as only been at the table for 30 mins.
CO is her friend who has been raising 60%+ of hands


Hero has 550 and button has more. Hero has a tight image.

Co makes it $20, btn calls $20, hero makes
It $70 with A K btn calls
Co folds K 4 of face up

Flop ($163) is
QQ6
Hero checks. Btn checks

Turn ($163) is J
Hero bets $80 btn insta calls

River is ($323) 8
Hero checks, btn bets $220

Button begins to talk to her friend after she bets appearing disinterested and I can hear some nerves in her voice

Should I be the one bluffing the river? Any thoughts on a call now since clubs and KT missed?

I can see a fold there. She could bet turn fd right. She can have 109, maybe some full house slowplayed. You hold K and second K was folded.

And if you think she can put you in tough spot better to check turn. I think she doesnt think she can bluff you as a tight player on river.

AP just fold.

You need to find a different line post flop though because this one is torching money. Either shut down or run a better perceived value line.

Pre, you're facing a massive open size and call. Your 3b is on the smallish side, but really I think it's ok given it's still just 1/3 and it's likely more of a value play than a 'bluff'.

I'd bet the river myself. As played, fold. The "nerves" could be a big hand, too -- I know that's how it works for me.

Yes, she could be bluffing missed spades or similar, but I'd like more info first.

Easy fold on river.....

Bigger pre.

postflop i'd just give up tbh.

If river werent an 8, (ie 7 or lower) i may consider calling since 109 busted but ap I think we can just let it go, we're getting bluffed here a good amount though but eh, dont think a call here is very +EV if at all. dont hate a call tho having no club blockers. when she insta calls turn she has a lot of draws. River when she bets she's also pretty polarized to trips, 109, FH. I mean I guess occasionally she vbets Jx vs you but I think a good amount of players just check and want to win what's in the middle and are happy taking it down. So yeah, i think it's pretty close and i dont hate a call.

Quite funny results if anyone cares
I was folding river but the way she was acting after the river bet made me call.

She wasn't happy when I called and I felt rather pleased about the hero call but then she sheepishly turned over 77

Nothing like bluffing with the best hand and getting paid off!

(I get it, though. Seems as if she would have done this with missed draws, too. Your read was right, but not right enough!)

Raise bigger pre. Standard for a reason.

As played cbet/fold 1/2 pot on the flop. Same.

As played give up on the turn. What is the reason for this bet? Seriously what are we trying to accomplish here?

As played don’t check river after the delayed turn cbet. T9s are you people insane?

As played fold. Look at our line from villain’s perspective. We completely induced her to take the pot on the river and somehow managed to make it worse from there.

Hmmmm call me crazy but I feel river spot is a jam or fold. I would never hero call here hoping to find a missed draw etc. most amateurs don’t have the stones to bet big in a spot like this with a missed draw I feel (not all but most I feel). I feel you rip or fold river and I’m leaning heavily toward fold.

As played, I feel you should bet flop and consider betting turn if flatted. I feel you are way more likely to get a fold if you bet flop+ turn in this spot. Meh I’m too aggro but I feel checking flop is kinda meh when you 3 bet pre and you wanna villian to find a fold.

Pre sizing also could be bigger. Maybe 80-90 bc you are going to be oop and you have two people in the pot at 20... I feel you wanna go bigger than 3.5x with your 3bet.

With a shortstack I'd be a lot more comfortable with the 3bet preflop to commit a PSB shove on the flop if whiffing, but deep against a loose active overvaluey player OOP and not a whole heckuva lotta dead money in the pot relative to larger stacks I'm cool with just seeing a flop here. But I'm passive like that.

I find postflop one of the reasons I'm not in love with preflop. Most of the times we just end up whiffing in a huge pot against a loose overvaluey non-ABC player we don't have a great handle on OOP. It's not a great spot, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

This was a fist pump spot.

We got the original PF raiser to fold and got a button to put in 50 more dollars with a capped range of mediocre hands.

If hero pulled the trigger on the flop like he should have then we just printed $.

This was a CO open raising 60% of hands. Not squeezing here (with the best freaking hand 90% of the time) is leaving so much $ on the table


Do you ever look for an edge other than the line with the lowest amount of variance?

If the raiser folded a hand that would have paid some postflop when we hit then it ain't a great coup getting them to fold. Getting the dominated K4 to fold preflop was not much of a victory, imo.

If our calling villain is just going to roll over prefflop/postflop, then fine.

But our villain isn't going to do that, which makes playing OOP quite difficult when we whiff. Basically, if you're cool playing lots of $760+ pots OOP with A high then keep doing that, otherwise maybe don't. IMO.

GcluelessNLnoobG

This is results oriented trash.

Hero played the hand in such a way that induced a spazz from V.

V was clearly set mining with her PF call, and its only when hero played his hand face up by checking the flop, then the whole hand got butchered.

You realize all the times you call $20 PF with AK only to give up when you whiff starts to add up? Your letting hands like Q9o bully you around and making you fold your equity when you have AT+, KJ+. All of that unrealized equity adds up session after session. But because you only lost a small amount here, a small amount there, or no amount at all (because you folded pre) then you don't view it as lost $

Making exploitative folds like folding KQ to an OMC raise or an abc passive raise is fine. But letting opponents bully you around by raising Q6s while you are playing your broadways super passive is costing you $. Just because you didn't VPIP doesn't mean you didn't lose $. Do you get that? You only have so many opportunities and spots to make $ with the hands you are dealt. If you only wait for KK and AA and pocket pairs to set mine, you are missing out on $. T

That's fine if you want to play that way for your own sake. But stop posting lower variance, nitty lines like it's the BEST way. It's bad advice and only helpful for newbies that don't have a clue.

Also, aren't you the SPR guy Gobbledygeek?

By flatting AKo OOP and playing in a high SPR pot we will have so many ways to lose this hand. Not only will we sometimes flop an A or K and lose, we will also find ways to get outplayed.

Ex:

Flop: A 6 8 dd

You check/ CO check/ button bets $40. You call. CO calls.

Turn J d

You check/ CO check/ Button bets $80


You sigh fold. CO folds and button wins with AT one diamond.

Another example:

Flop: K 9 7 rainbow.

You check/ CO bets $30/ BU raises to $75

You sigh fold. CO folds and Buttons proudly tables KQo like its the nuts.

This type of sh*t will happen to you over and over again aginst these types of Villains. Get aggressive Preflop and make THEM play passive instead of allowing yourself to fold winning hands.

What's your guess on how often Villain folds 77 on the flop on a cbet on this board? If it's anything other than exactly 0%, then we're not on the same page.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Are we talking about OP's hand or how you play poker in general?

what

GG has the worst case of MUBS I've ever seen. He has repeatedly mentioned how opponents wont stack off with top pair in 2018 because now "they have a clue". But all of the sudden, when we are holing AK and miss the flop, they magically become wizards and will stack off with middle pair.

"I don't 3bet AK cus I always miss the flop. Wahhhh"

"If I bet on the flop they will always call. Wahhhhh"

GG- If you asked the top 100 poker players what they would do with Ako pre in this spot...how many of them do you think would say flat versus 3bet"

"I DONT CARE THEY DONT PLAY IN THE SAME GAME AS I DO!!! MY OPPONENTS ARE TOO GOOD AT SOUL READING ME!! WAHHHHHHHHH"

Exactly. And yes: GG have been posting this kind of MUBSY nit of the century "i am scared of variance" kind of garbage on this site day in and day out for years now.

Trying to present logic and arguments to him is like pissing into the wind: no matter how hard you try to piss, you will still get drops blowing back onto your pants.

Anecdotal evidence.

WAHHttt

This post is complete garbage.

And you don't help OP out at all. Just attack GG.

Avoid answering question how often your getting 77 to fold on flop.

I dont think this particular player would have folded any pair on this flop unless it was some unusually large bet.

The way GG have been flooding/spamming the entire front page on this forum for years with the same SPR infested scarecity of variance BS he should be attacked alot more than he does.

So tear apart his strat. Making up anecdotes to prove a point is childish and just as bad as what he posts.

Also at very least try to help OP with an opinion.

If Bodybuilder wants to bet flop (he always does). Then tell us how much to bet. And what turns to barrel. Or when to give up.

MIKneveragreeswithggKO

Lol, believe me when i say that have been done hundreds of times by different posters over the last years. After a while you just get tired of banging your head into the stone wall.