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1/3 AJ tptk c/r OTF 1/3 AJ tptk c/r OTF

05-24-2014 , 06:43 AM
V1 (221)- 35 yo white male, lag, possibly on tilt
Hero's Image (400)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop straddled pot (10):
Hero is MP dealt AJ
Hero raises to 24, V1 calls from straddle.

Flop (48):
J94
Checked to Hero who bets 35, V1 c/r to 75, Hero calls.

Turn (198):
Q
V1 shoves for 120 quickly I think before the turn was dealt but not sure, Hero calls.

I thought he could be light OTF and I think he is always shoving OTT with air. Maybe 3b OTF is better.
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05-24-2014 , 07:21 AM
i mean, you say he's possibly on tilt and he's always shoving OTT with air and you think he shoved the turn before the turn card was dealt?

and it's only $120 more?

snappity snap call.
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05-24-2014 , 09:31 AM
My default on this flop is to fold,

However against a tilty lag getting 2-1 I might be able to find a call here.

The only thing about OTT is that unless V had complete AIR on the flop most of the straight draws got there OR now have top pair.

If there really is some complete air here, I may call.
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05-24-2014 , 09:44 AM
If your read is right, then it is an easy call.

However, I doubt greatly that your read is right. At about 50BB stacks and below, people can stack off light for many reasons. At 70BB and above, they usually have something. I'd put the bottom of his range as a FD. He has little to no air in his range. If he is capable of raising the flop with TP, all ace high FD, all two pairs and sets, then you're ahead and should call. If he isn't going to c/f flops and shove turns with all FD, then it is a fold because you aren't getting odds.
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05-25-2014 , 02:42 AM
I'd consider betting larger PF. With LAGs/tilting players in the straddle I'd lean towards making it 35-40 as we deny them odds for a lot of tricky hands and this makes it an easy SPR for us to stack off with (2.25).

As played I'm leaning towards a fold despite the good odds. Villains in my game tend to use the flop c/r for two pair hands (less likely with our J blocking J9) and occasionally draws but with the exception of the flush draws these all got there on the turn.
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05-25-2014 , 02:49 AM
Just ship the flop.
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05-25-2014 , 03:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression
V1 (221)- 35 yo white male, lag, possibly on tilt
Hero's Image (400)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop straddled pot (10):
Hero is MP dealt AJ
Hero raises to 24, V1 calls from straddle.

Flop (48):
J94
Checked to Hero who bets 35, V1 c/r to 75, Hero calls.

Turn (198):
Q
V1 shoves for 120 quickly I think before the turn was dealt but not sure, Hero calls.

I thought he could be light OTF and I think he is always shoving OTT with air. Maybe 3b OTF is better.
Pay closer attention. I've seen this stuff it in on the flop before the turn is dealt a few times, and it was always a bluff. Part of wanting to look strong. The turn is ugly, but despite that, easy call of a tilting, bluffy LAG. If he binked a straight or two pair... oh well.
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05-25-2014 , 08:59 AM
Thanks for the comments all, you all make some good points.

Results-

Spoiler:
villain shows AQ, nh sir
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05-25-2014 , 11:23 AM
There are a lot of combo draws V can have on the flop, I like 3 bet shoving the flop (only if V is actually tilted).
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05-26-2014 , 01:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression
V1 (221)- 35 yo white male, lag, possibly on tilt
Hero's Image (400)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop straddled pot (10):
Hero is MP dealt AJ
Hero raises to 24, V1 calls from straddle.

Flop (48):
J94
Checked to Hero who bets 35, V1 c/r to 75, Hero calls.

Turn (198):
Q
V1 shoves for 120 quickly I think before the turn was dealt but not sure, Hero calls.

I thought he could be light OTF and I think he is always shoving OTT with air. Maybe 3b OTF is better.
Grunch

I'm pretty ok w calling on flop tho it could definitely be a fold based on tiny sizing.

As played I think we need to fold turn
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05-26-2014 , 02:02 AM
I don't see how flop is anything but a shove. His range has so many draws and even weaker jacks that we can get value from right now
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05-26-2014 , 12:47 PM
I typically also raise here preflop, although I kinda hate waking up with this middling strongish hand in MP (I'd much rather be in LP). At some tables (especially very loose ones where a raise is unlikely to thin the field) I might just dump it.

SPR is 4, we've flopped TPTK against a possible tilty LAG on a drawy board. I would have potted the flop so I can shove the turn. As played, I shove the flop. With small SPRs and vulnerable TPTK hands on drawy boards, let's just get the money in as soon as possible, imo. I actually really dislike the flop bet sizing as (if just called) it will create a ~$120 pot with an awkward ~$160 left where we should already feel committed and yet we'll hate a bunch of turn cards.

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