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1/3 agrotard 3bets flop 1/3 agrotard 3bets flop

12-21-2015 , 01:50 AM
Live 1/3 full ring $200 max bi

Hero (BB): just sat down 5 mins ago. havnt played a hand. reg image. ~ 200
Villain (BTN): seen this player around. limped every hand since i sat down. late 20s white guy that is a bit of an antagonistic douche to people on the table. ~ 200

Hand History: TAG from UTG opens 15 w/ 200 behind. Loose Passive Fish in MP calls. Villain in SB ships for 110. UTG folds. MP calls shows 88. V shows J6ss. V loses and rebuys for 200. Relevant hands occurs right after this one.


OTTH

Pre ($3)
Folds around to V who opens for $12. Hero w/ 87 calls.

Flop ($25)
A96
Hero checks. V cbets $12. Hero raises to $35. V 3bets to $85. Hero???

I thought V was probably cbetting his entire range on this flop, so a c/r would fold out a most of it. How strong is V here? I can't see too many aces 3betting this flop, so i thought his range was sets or air. given his agrotard image, do we have any fold equity if we ship?
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12-21-2015 , 02:08 AM
I probably fold pre, tougher to play these hands oop and not deep enough stack wise. This is one of the better flops with this hand I would have just called the flop bet.

AP we are getting $50 to win $145 but the problem is we don't know if all our outs are clean. Since the ace of 1/3 agrotard 3bets flop️is on the board he might have an Ace or some combo of 1/3 agrotard 3bets flop️s and yes even a set.

Don't think there is much fold equity here because villain could have ur range on a draw since u flatted pre and especially if he has an ace. I might just fold here because his will bomb the turn.

He just lost a buy in, but is it his first? Because he might have switched gears
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12-21-2015 , 02:25 AM
This hand is way too fancy for my tastes.

67BB effective is not a good spot to play suited connectors against a single opponent especially OOP. Fold pre.

On the flop what strong hands are you repping? A set? If V is cbetting with air why would you want to fold out most of it with a c/r that doesn't make a ton of sense? If V shoved J6sooted pre is he ever folding diamonds here? Just flat.

AP, fold. You are behind all of his value range and your outs are dirty.

We don't want tilting Vs to fold, we want them to stack off with worse hands. Your value here is that if you turn your draw V will barrel off.

You have zero FE and it seems like your play is less about the aggrotard read and more about the fact you think he's a dbag.

Last edited by PoppaLarge; 12-21-2015 at 02:31 AM.
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12-21-2015 , 03:52 AM
I would just call flop. If he doesn't have an A, he'll usually check behind the turn and we'll almost always win the pot on the river anyway. By raising here, we're just getting money in bad against his strong hands and folding out hands he would fold on later streets. We also give ourselves more room to rep a big hand on later streets if the board gets scarier if we just call here.

As played I would call and c/f if we miss on the turn. If it were a rainbow board, I'd be inclined to never fold here, but we have some reverse implied odds in this spot, so this is narrowly a call IMO instead of a fist pump call, because I think we always get the last 110 in if we bink the turn.

I don't think he has either sets or air here. I think he is occasionally spazzing, but usually he's going to have any 2p+ hand or a flush draw. He's never folding a flush draw at this point, and almost all of his flush draws have us high carded, so we're a 7:3 dog against his calling range. We have some amount of fold equity against the random air hands that have us high carded, but I think that's a sufficiently small part of his range that shoving would be a substantial mistake.
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12-21-2015 , 04:59 AM
i would neverr raise the flop with that stack you are too short
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12-21-2015 , 01:01 PM
Fold pre at 66 BB, but if you make mistake of calling pre, don't double mistake by raising flop against this kind of maniac. Arguably fold to cbet on flop. Stacks too small and your diamond outs bring reverse implied odds into the equation. Bleh.

Find a better game with larger than 66bb buyin.
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12-21-2015 , 02:38 PM
Calling a raise OOP where pot is likely going to end up HU is almost always going to be a losing play. Easy fold preflop, imo.

Against an aggrotard, I'd probably more prefer calling the flop because (a) he might reraise often (putting us in this stupid spot where we'll probably have to fold) and (b) we can perhaps rep diamonds on the turn/river if we want to and attempt to win the pot that way.

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12-21-2015 , 03:01 PM
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...can't see too many aces 3betting this flop, so i thought his range was sets or air. given his agrotard image, do we have any fold equity if we ship?
AP fold - No FE, No, he absolutely can do this with any Ax+ as well as FD+gutters, 6xdd, etc. maybe even down to black 57...

Ck-call for $12 barely ok since you'll be folding equity on most turns. Be wary of RIO w dirty outs, but generally more concerned with 5/Td killing implieds more than anything else here.
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12-21-2015 , 04:11 PM
Fold pre you're not deep enough. Call flop. AP welcome to the jammery, would you like strawberry or blueberry? Also 7 or 8 pairing might be good.

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12-22-2015 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by nihcnahtan
I thought V was probably cbetting his entire range on this flop, so a c/r would fold out a most of it. How strong is V here? I can't see too many aces 3betting this flop, so i thought his range was sets or air. given his agrotard image, do we have any fold equity if we ship?
Super strong. No one ever reraise-folds at low stakes, even agrotards. Find a better spot where you hit a pair and hold on for dear life.

Fold pre. Don't call a raise oop with SC. You have to be super deep to justify it.
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12-22-2015 , 01:27 AM
We will be getting it in behind obviously. As stated in thread there's a very small chance he folds to a shove. But if your going to continue / put more money in then a shove is the right play for the non zero % fold equity.
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