Hero ($300): Just sat down at table an orbit ago and V1 knows I'm tight/reggish

V1 ($400): Middle-aged decent rec player

V2 ($1000): Young rec guy but I'm not sure how he plays

Hero raises to $15, V1 in MP calls, V2 in SB raises to $45, Hero calls, V1 raises to $125, V2 calls, Hero folds

Flop ($295): 655r
V2 checks, V1 checks

Turn ($295): 8r
V2 bets $70 and flips over 77 even before V1 acts, when table asks him what he's doing, he's like I fold because V1 is raising (lol, maybe V1 was counting more chips but he never put any raise in)

V1 wins pot, and tables AA


Questions:

1) Did Hero play the hand well? Are we stacking off if V1 flatcalled flop?
2) Why didn't V1 reraise Hero's pf open? How should Hero play against this guy?
3) How shouild Hero play against V2 who seems like a drooler now...

Value bet the heck out of V2. Realize that V1 may trap with the top of his range if he expects you to barrel a lot.

When you range his post flop including some % of stronger hands that may be a raise for most people but are not always for him.

Hand seems fine imo.

Let's say V1 flatcalled pre, are we then calling V2 flop cbet on this board and then calling V1's over-the-top shove otf? I think V1 saved my stack here...

Folding pre is standard.

To your question, no. I'd call V2 flop cbet, but not the V1 shove vs 2 players.

You played it fine, without evidence that V1 is very aggressive or likes to reraise light a lot, folding to his call/raise is standard. This is a rare move that some players will make, essentially a high powered version of limp/raise. It can be handy at tables where villains like to squeeze in LP.

The way this played out probably saved you some money, but for 100BB you shouldn't be going broke with just an over pair most of the time. If V1 waits to the flop to raise you would be more worried about 66/65/54 then AA but it wouldn't be a hard fold unless you put a lot of OESD in his range.

^^^

But let's say V1 didn't re-raise the $45 to $125 pre, and we go three-way to the flop.. and also, let's say V2 bets $50 otf, I call, V1 just calls (doesn't raise)... how are we then going to avoid getting suckered in with QQ when V2 checks turn, Hero checks turn and V1 bets just $70 ott, V2 folds, Hero ??? and $100 otr on non A/K runouts?

We has QQ here?

I fold this preflop. Most LLSNL villians 3bet range is QQ+/AK and with us holding QQ that skews his range to hands that have us crushed im using this as my default models 3bet range until we have a read that he is a drool and will 3bet wider. Calling is okay IF WE HAVE DEEPER STACKS but we are too shallow here. further more when we face a backraise 4b this guy has it always. fold now. is he really doing this with TT?

1) its hard not to GII with an overpair but on this particular board its hard to get stacks in with an inferior hand often enough and me thinks a bet/fold line is bests.

2)He is a tricky backwards player and might see you as the type to barrel off, more likely he gets some thrill from being deceptive. Do not go for thin value against this player. and tighten up your value range.

3) Play the opposite way you would against V1, widen your value range, go for thin value and make lighter calls. ISO may be a decent option in some cases.

Even after your $15 raise the pot still wasn't big. Also, villain was in EP so villain was probably slow playing for the same reasons that a lot of players slowplay when they're hoping to try the limp reraise. Villain wasn't going to try a big move unless there was more money in the pot. I suspect that villain felt that after your raise, a reraise from him would scare everybody away, including you.

nh.

With two other players raising in the hand, the only thing he's going to feel comfortable 4 betting is AA. Be glad you've moved past the stage where you go, "cooler."

:grunch:

This is a little weird for preflop action. V1's flat of your $15 then re-raise of V2's bet is something I don't think I've ever seen before without extenuating circumstances. If V2 acted out of turn for example, in which case V1's raise changes the action enough for V2 to fold ... then the play makes sense.

Maybe V2 was giving off some kind of huge tell that he was going to raise pre. It's hard to attribute action to that from a HH though.

AP I'm fine with the fold. I don't see how we're not up against at least one of AA/KK/AK. The best realistic scenario would be one AK and one smaller PP sharing suits with each other, but even in that case we're not in great shape. Otherwise we're crushed.

Hard to saw what would happen if V1 flats. Depends on in V2 opens the flop, if he doesn't we probably should. With $135 in the pot and $255 behind it's difficult *not* to stake off on low boards. Two healthy bets and we're all in.

Against V1 I'd be wary that he's capable of trapping a big hand. Maybe he's scared money and doesn't want to commit preflop, or maybe he's just "tricky". We need more data to know for sure. I'd watch him like a hawk.

V2 is easier. V2 we should be value betting the hell out of. He's sticky pre getting bad prices. I'd avoid re-raising his turn stabs in similar spots with value hands and instead flat him. Although I'd still re-raise semi-bluffs and consider pure bluffs in spots where he should be weak.