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1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn 1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn

06-23-2018 , 02:49 AM
Hi all,

Looking for feedback

1/3 game.

Effective stack is $484 dollars which is V

V: Been at the table around 30 mins. No solids reads younger guy prob mid 30's.

I played the following hand against him before this hand. I raised on the button with Q10 and he flatted with AA in the BB. Flop was 10 7 2 he checked I bet he called. Turn was a 7 he bet I folded and he showed AA.

H: Youngest guy at table. Have around 700 to start. Playing in position a lot.

OTTH: UTG limps, I raise UTG+2 to $18 V is in the HJ and 3 bets to 38$ folds to me and I call with AQ

($83) Flop A33

We check and he bets $50

We call

($183)

Turn is a 7

We check and he bets $396

We think it over.. He's not really repping much 3 betting pre and going crazy on a board like this. We are at the top of our range here.

What do you guys do?
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 03:02 AM
I fold.
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 03:42 AM
You should not have folded the turn in the QT hand.

This spot is pretty sick, but I have a lot of AK in my range in your spot. This is not an auto 4b pre in these positions with these stack sizes. I prolly have just enough AK in my range to justify folding everything else.

Some relevant questions: What is your image? Has Villain 3b at all previously? Did you show the QT fold?
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 05:05 AM
8 combos of AK beat you. Does he have 6 combos of bluffs here? Does he have any 3bet bluffs to begin with? If he doesn't 3bet bluff, then he can only be bluffing if he is turning a hand like jj-kk into a bluff, and I don't expect players to turn showdown value hands into bluffs often at 1/3.

You are pretty high up in your range, I'd be calling that small 3bet with most of my hands, but without any reads I'd make an exploitable fold on the turn.
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 06:32 AM
If we've seen villain 3bet before then I'm calling. The AA hand he played in a weird trappy sort of way, I have trouble reconciling that with blasting like 2x pot in this hand if he has AK. Assuming he's capable of light threebetting, gonna guess he's made it to the turn with JTs or something and now doesn't want to give up so has gone with the nuclear option. However, if we haven't seen him 3bet before, I'll give the 3bet its customary respect at LLSNL and fold.
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 06:33 AM
I guess it is dependent on whether or not you’ve seen him 3 bet before. Also, is he a thinking player. The odds he has AK are lowered because you hold an ace and there is one on the board, but if he’s aware then you have to fold. The man 3 bet an early position raise. He’s either bluffing a hand like KK, or QQ, or he has AK. It almost looks like he puts you on an ace and is value betting his hand.
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 07:41 AM
I have NOT seen him 3 bet at all prior to this hand. I did not show my Q10 fold preflop.

The hand is just so weird I have no idea what he's taking this line with for value.

77 or a random hand with a 3 never does this eand neither does A3

Even if they do I'm not sure he's 3 betting those at any frequency pre.
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 07:53 AM
It's a very strange spot. Typically LLSNL players 3bet bigger than this with AK, but it's not any kind of hard and fast rule. Ehhh. I sort of want to call but calling giant bets works out well so rarely at LLSNL.
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 10:41 AM
Could V have an idea in his head that he can run you over easily? Not sure myself but something to consider. You played passively against him post flop pretty much.
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 08:05 PM
I can’t see any made hand doing this. You can definitely find better spots to get it in and I wouldn’t blame you for folding but why would any monster hand want you to fold an ace. Maybe he 3bet 45dd and turned a double gut shot and flush draw or maybe just a naked flush draw I don’t know weird spot. What did you do?
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-23-2018 , 08:29 PM
He bets 2.2x pot. He needs to have a FD or air a large amount of the time to compensate for all the times when we are dead vs AK or AA.

Seems like a pretty easy fold.
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-24-2018 , 01:02 AM
maybe he bluffed you but i dont think its worth it trying to find out. find easier money.
1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-25-2018 , 12:23 PM
I typically limp in with AQs in EP (and sometimes even MP) as it plays fine multiway in high SPR pots, plus I sometimes limp/reraise it (opponent / situation dependent). Also makes it easier to call a raise (in what will hopefully be a multiway pot).

Even though it's a minnish raise, I highly doubt calling a 3bet OOP is going to be profitable, no? Basically, factor in the RIO (how much you lose when you flop "well" but are no good) vs IO (how much you eke out from him when you flop well and are best) and this is not a good spot.

Flop is a great RIO vs IO example; if we're best, it's probably the last money he's putting in (plus he gets a free river); if we're not best, are we planning on putting in some more reasonable bets? I also call at this point.

Weird overbet on the turn, but maybe he's just protecting his AK or playing AA a little weird. In the only history hand, he played AA a little unorthodox, but he also didn't go completely nutso with it either. Is he really playing KQss this way or lol KK-TT like this?

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1/3 AcQc facing overbet on Turn Quote
06-25-2018 , 01:02 PM
Really odd spot. I think I fold preflop to the 3!...hate playing AQ oop in a 3! pot. Can never be comfy with it unless you flop Trup Queens.

AP, man that is a really strange bet with any hand you lose to. If the Ace on board were not the A (meaning he could hold a weaker Ace than you AND the NFD), then I probably find a call. But here I think I just dump it and he bluffed you then bravo.
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