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08-30-2016 , 02:49 PM
You dont have to give up just because you check this flop. You will have tons more info when the action gets back to you than you have now. Checking is very similar being last to act, except you get even more info in this case because if you are last to act, people act differently knowing the preflop raiser is still behind them than they do when the preflop raiser has already declared he doesnt have a hand (even though he does).

This is almost never checking thru so you dont have to worry about giving everyone a free card.
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08-30-2016 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32
We are crushed by quite a few hands and are flipping with all the others we are ahead of at the moment. All the pair plus flush draw combos and straight/flush combos. There are no hands here that we are crushing.
Lots of people in this thread saying we're beaten by a ton of hands. I wanted to look at this further, because when somebody says "we are crushed by quite a few hands" but doesn't enumerate a range, I'm suspicious.

We're crushed by JJ,TT,66,JT. We have 30% equity against JT. As for JJ and TT: have you ever seen a reg limp behind with these hands? I haven't, so let's assume V doesn't have them.

That's 3 combos of 66 and 8 of JT, for a total of 11 combos. I think a reg would often raise JTs but for the sake of discussion we'll ignore that.

As for the hands we're flipping against: you're referring to hands like Tc9c or KcTc? Flush draws make up so few combos, especially when V could be raising (for value!) with a hand as poor as KJo or QJo with a club vs such a tiny bet. There are far more top pair, 2nd pair combos than 2p+ hands, and we crush them. Folding here is a massive mistake.
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08-30-2016 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thetruewheel
We're crushed by JJ,TT,66,JT. We have 30% equity against JT. As for JJ and TT: have you ever seen a reg limp behind with these hands? I haven't, so let's assume V doesn't have them.
I've seen regulars that know all the dealers that limp TT/JJ. Just because someone is a reg doesn't mean they're a profitable player or make poker plays that make sense. A lot of people are terrified of TT/JJ and just use them to set mine.

You also still have BB to act behind you if you make a move on V. They could have a set, too. Just because 2p2ers know proper bet sizing on a wet board with a set doesn't mean your average 1/2 or 1/3NL rec player does, too.
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08-30-2016 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HawkesDave
I've seen regulars that know all the dealers that limp TT/JJ. Just because someone is a reg doesn't mean they're a profitable player or make poker plays that make sense. A lot of people are terrified of TT/JJ and just use them to set mine.

You also still have BB to act behind you if you make a move on V. They could have a set, too. Just because 2p2ers know proper bet sizing on a wet board with a set doesn't mean your average 1/2 or 1/3NL rec player does, too.
Seems improbable to me that anyone except a super-nit would limp JJ-TT. If we have that read, obviously folding is fine. Given our limited reads, I don't think we can make this assumption. Folding here feels like MUBS and I wouldn't do it unless I'm sure V is a huge nit.
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08-30-2016 , 03:44 PM
We still don't know V's position, either, which does matter here. Did he limp from EP, MP or BTN? Is he raising five players behind him or two?

Also, $200 - $900: does that mean one had $900 and everyone else less than $250 or some had $800? (This is not as important now, but it does matter when betting/checking flop.)
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08-30-2016 , 08:54 PM
V limped in from MP, he was 4 seats to my right.

Stack sizes range from 200-900 meaning the shortest stack among the 6 had 200, the rest had a bunch from 300-800ish, the biggest stack was V.

Well AP i folded because i didnt really want to commit to this pot with aces after the preflop action because it was a high variance spot that i didnt really like, if i wanted to i would maybe have gone with a bet/fold line on the flop instead.

Just wanted to see what other people thought of folding this flop with aces in a big multiway pot, and how many others would still stick to a bet/fold line with aces/kings in this type of situations, because it sometimes come up albeit not very frequently and im a little unsure of what is the right line.
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08-30-2016 , 10:23 PM
You played it well. You could have committed against all of the short stackers but you happened to run into the top of the deep stacks range, so he's pretty much the one guy you don't want to commit with here.

Be happy you saved money.
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08-31-2016 , 09:27 AM
I have no problem with folding here at this stack depth vs. V. He's obviously willing to get some money in here vs. six other players, and I'm not willing to commit 300bb with one pair on this board. May seem weak, but I'm OK w/ it here.

I prefer the check pre OOP better than bet/fold, too.
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