Who said anything about a majority? You're putting words in my mouth for what, the sake of arguing with me?

Im sorry, didnt mean to. And im trying to understand alternativr points of view, not argue with you. My apologies, and i appreciate you discussing with me.

The point is, if hands like this represent such a small percentage of someones overall range then why are we so worried about them when everyone checks through to us otf?

Ive been out of the study/strategy realm for a while so Im trying to understand to get better. As people put forth ideas it seems prudent to play devils advocate and ask questions so we can explore different angles and everyone can learn.

I don't necessarily think it's that small though. If I had to spitball a number, I would say that perhaps 20% (it may be much higher) of the time someone already has a flush here. I'm not terribly good with statistics so I won't even try the math but even if you look at random card distribution, you still have to consider that people tend to play hands like K5 suited or Q2 suited and certainly Ax suited in multiway pots for small raises like OP did, whereas they fold their unsuited counterparts.

I'm not saying that we should be MUBsy and check-fold, but I'm also not keen on putting our stack in the middle just because we have an overpair.

Ha, yeah im not going to do a bunch of math either.

Ill try to put together a range for our avg V in the holdem lab app and paste an image here a little later.

Im curious now, 20% feels high but you may be right. Bc it's only 12 combos of Aces but like you said, we could have 10 of Kxs, 7 or 8 of Qxs,
4 of Jxs, etc etc.

Well, raising to $35 and getting 5 callers is a better result than raising to $20 and getting 5 callers because instead of getting in just 5% of stacks (giving themselves about 20+:1 IO) they've all gotten in about 10% of stacks (giving themselves just 10+:1 IO), so a big difference. Plus, SPR will be much lower and bets will be much bigger on the flop, which means we'll be getting in much bigger percentages of our overall stack when we're likely ahead.

Still, even $35 6ways ain't ideal either (and even though I'm guessing we're not necessarily expecting that result it is still one that could easily happen given one or two early callers to start the train). It's just kinda tricky at these stack sizes. It's why I don't think a huge raise to like lol $50 is terribad here, nor a Button overlimp (where we hope for the best with a raise from the blinds which will be hugely profitable, or otherwise we play a small pot in position which will likely still be profitable, and both will be a lot easier to play than our current result).

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While I agree that pre-flop should be higher (I had advocated $25-$30), surprised to see the number of posters who like checking the flop. No doubt the spot is thin, but apart from betting for value, I opt to bet to iso, or at least try to.

A few reminders:
1. Hero has been raising ip; can likely imply the table has been passive for the most part.
2. A raise on the flop very likely means AA is not good, thus a B/F.
3. This is $1/$3 NL, not $10/$25 NL.
4. Odds of flopping a flush are 118-1; odds of flopping a 4-flush are 88-1.

Sure, it uncomfy spot, but vs. a field who will play straight-forward, I think checking is missing a chance to iso, and to a lesser extent, extract value.

Hero has been raising ip. He now has the best starting hand. Imho, don't think a BTN over limp should be remotely considered.

How can you raise to 20, get 5 callers, and the pot is 95? How many limpers? Why aren't you isolating bigger (since PSR after 4 limps is 22)? I can't comment on pre because I don't know what the limper total is, but it should be bigger.

Who is the effective stack, you or him? If it's you, you probably should've calibrated your flop bet better so you could pot pot and get it in on the turn to charge clubs the max. If it's him, then fine and 140-160 turn bet should be a good strategy here. He can't profitably call that bet with a big naked club and it puts his pair + club draw in a world of hurt.

Edit: skimmed but are people really advocating for not betting flop or turn? Combo wise, AcX is like almost as likely on its own as a flopped flush from an ATS player, and that doesn't even include KcX and QcX and whatever other crap they like to play. This is classic bet bet decide strategy of low stakes no limit. We bet 150 on the turn and depending on the river and how stationy our opponent is, we can go for the rest or take a showdown. This isn't exactly the land of former child prodigies and magic the gathering champs doing battle, it's live 1-3 NL. Worrying about being raised off the winner is doing it wrong.