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03-30-2017 , 08:21 PM
That hand is completely unlike this one.
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03-30-2017 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats
That hand is completely unlike this one.
Besides the high SPR and being a 3bet pot, the idea of betsizing on wet textures still holds.
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03-30-2017 , 08:58 PM
don't agree. Important and significant differences include:

- SPR 16 vs 4 is everything. your hand is a 2 street hand when you pot it.
- King high vs 9 high
- possible made straight vs more draws
- Doug's focus on balance.

Your hand is pretty straightforward in LLSNL, 2 streets because pairs + gutters aren't folding, flush draws aren't folding and you have decent equity against 2 pair. Betting less accomplishes little.
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03-31-2017 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats
- SPR 16 vs 4 is everything
I didn't look at the other hand, but this in a nutshell.

SPR of 4 means we can get stacks in with just 2 PSBs, so we can get it over with by the turn, which bodes well for TP hands (as it doesn't give time for draws to materialize profitably). If we're HU or 3way, that means we've gotten in fairly significant percentages of stacks preflop (typically upwards of ~10%, which is really too much for speculative hands to make profitable preflop calls even if we stack off against them with TP every time they hit). Only in very multiway pots should we be a little more concerned about stacking off in ~SPR 4 pots (although we'll often feel handcuffed to do so).

SPR 16 pots are totally different. Even 3 large PSBs on each street won't even get stacks quite all-in yet. In these spots we have to carefully tread the line between betting to protect against draws when ahead with TP versus making sure we don't build too big a pot with just TP when behind. Setminers were given great implied odds preflop in this case, so we can't just go blasting PSBs concerned about the draws when we could be smashed on the flop. In this case you could argue that smaller bets (or other forms of pot control, such as perhaps even checking a street), even on the same wet board, is more desirable since we aren't committed and we don't want to make the mistake of building too big a pot for the strength of our hand. HOC basically argues this: i.e. in these spots, don't worry about the draws nearly as much as building too big a pot for your hand. But there are some who disagree with pot controlling in these spots, and it can be pretty opponent dependent.

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