Playing $1/$3 at the casino 9-handed. Typical Saturday night crowd: players are generally loose-passive and a few are tipsy on beer, but no complete maniacs.

Hero is dealt Ac As in BB with a $320 stack. Everyone else has stacks of $200-$900.

UTG raises to $14
3 callers
Hero 3bets to $65
UTG tank calls
3 folds

Flop ($157, HU) is Jc Tc 7h
Effective remaining stacks: $240

Hero bets $60
Villain tanks for 20 seconds, acts visibly frustrated, then jams $240
Hero calls

What are your thoughts on this? Was my bet sizing correct?

So you need to wn 28% here. You have 30% equity against JT... So yeah, youre obviously behind his range but this is an instacall.

You bet too small on the flop, but it is an easy call as played.

I wasn't sure about this tbh... I wanted to keep hands like AQ/AK/Jx/Tx and maybe even 88/99 in the pot, so I actually contemplated a really tiny bet like $40. I thought I've got the Ace of clubs in my hand so there aren't really many draws I need to worry about.

But I went with $60 because I thought it sets me up well for a turn shove (I can jam $180 into a $277 pot on the turn). And I thought I don't want to wait for a Q or K to come on the turn and then miss out on value from AJ.

If I didn't have the Ace of clubs I might've bet $70-$80 on the flop.

What do you think would've been the optimal sizing?

I dont think the bet sizing matters a ton because thinking villans should view this as a ship or fold decision, but I guess maybe weak draws could call to see the turn and fold turn profitibly. Maybe... Kh8h or 8h6h or osmething? I dont feel like doing the math, but they probably have have enough direct + implied odds to marginally call the flop. for Kh8h, Q/A gives them double gutter, any h gives them a fd, a K or 8 gives them trips/2p outs...

But really this is just theoretical, realistically youre just looking to induce calls from worse.

Remember that villain raised to 5x UTG, so I'm not really putting him on hands like JTo or K9s.

Bet size on flop can be a bit bigger. Consider that for most recreational players 60 or 90 makes no difference. They don't really consider their odds so you might as well abuse that.
As played I call and expect villain to have qj/j9 a lot (from their body language).

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Against JJ,TT, 77, JT, we have 23%
I dont think V could have QQ+ since he would prob 3b pre...
Depends on V tendency but if you can add combo draws to his range or 1p hand, i think you have the 28% needed to justify calling !

I would call !

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This is a 3bet pot - and a very bloated one in that, since I squeezed to 22bbs preflop (the sizing of a standard 4bet online).

If villain wanted to make any reasonable 4bet, he'd have to jam 100bbs preflop. I don't see how villain can 4bet without it being a shove here. Also, most 1/3 players don't 4bet QQ/AK preflop, only a few do.

You raised too large preflop and bet too small postflop which makes your decision weird.

As played this is a no-thought call.

I don't get your sizing logic. You seem to think the initial raiser raised very large, I would say no, this is more of a standard raise for this game in a live setting, anything from $10-18 depending on how loose and deep it is playing and with $900 stacks on the table and people playing loose $14 seems like a standard open.

You then say you're sizing to induce but I don't see how you're sizing to induce you seem transparently sizing to isolate. If you're sizing to induce I would bet either smaller if you think that will induce a jam from one of the callers if the initial raiser flats or raise it very large like $85 or $100 flat if you think this might induce more action from a hand like tens or jacks which would've coolered you on this flop anyways, but from a non-results oriented way you would've gotten the money in good that way.

snap call, if he has a set of Jacks bink a two outer

I think our preflop raise sizing is perfect (offering poor ~8:1 odds to raiser which will make setmining unprofitable), nice.

Super gross flop as JJ/TT just got there. Would he likely reraise KK (is that why he was tanking)? Which really only leaves QQ and AK as hands that will put in action postflop (although possible KQ if he's loose and possibly some other lol hands like AQ/AJ/AT/etc and then obviously even some more lol broadway stuff if he's loose). It's not a wonderful spot, but in the end I think I just open ship the flop. I don't think we're going to get away vs JJ/TT (nice hand sir), and otherwise there are a bunch of scare cards to kill action. Let's just rep AK and hope for the best.

I don't like our bet sizing because it's for a lol amount on a drawy board when we're committed. I jam is admittedly a bit of an overbet, but with these stacks not so much really (as any big bet is committing).

Having someone look frustrated and then jam is obviously not a good sign. But we're still good against KK/QQ and some loose aggro hands. Basically, our really good job of our preflop sizing set us up for a spot where we won't lose here long term, even if we stack off to a set every single time; heck, even here we're going to suck out on JJ/TT upwards of ~10% of the time.

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Normally a 'weak is strong' tell baring some other lollive read.

But we still don't need to right that often.
Still calling.

I tend not to look much into ambiguous reads in these strat threads. If you're going to make a play off a read it should be off a clear tell and at that point combinatorics and strat don't really matter. Villain is either a tellbox or he isn't. Since OP still has questions about this hand I'm assuming he's not a tellbox.

I think you played the hand very well and are going to get paid and stack this guy. Bet sizing is perfect and you baited him into punting his stack to you. His tank call on the flop is something we can really look at with a flop like this. He definitely doesn't have JJ or TT because he tanked pre and he is not going to tank with these hands. It is possible he has 77s and could be hollywooding to induce the call. But even 77s i don't think he would tank pre. For him to jam the flop he must have a pair with good kicker or a straight or flush draw. We are good here to call, bet sizing is correct and you played the hand well. imo. Post results later?

How are you calculation the 23% ?

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Its called TakeEV on android !
I would like the option to write ranges directly like if i want to include KcQc but not KsQs, i cant. Only KQs or KQo but its allright for approximation
There is a paid version that gives you stats but i didnt tried it.

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acts visibly frustrated then jams. almost guaranteed he's going to flip over JJ. not TT not JT, but JJ.

results please. put more stock in live reads suckas!!!!

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