- By making the flop raise, I've pot committed myself. Checking the turn because I'm afraid of getting check-raised seems pretty silly with that fact in mind.
- If I don't get the money in on the turn, I lose value from all of his draws. I probably have to fold if he shoves the river (either as a bluff or for value), so I only win when a busted draw checks it down. This doesn't sound like winning advice to me.[/QUOTE]




You didn't ask us "Should I make the obvious ****ing shove OTT after I didn't make a bigger bet OTF" you were worried about playing in a 100bb pot deep with one pair against a villain you think has a strong hand. What hands are you hoping he has? So I'm guessing the hands you want to get value out of OTT you couldn't on the flop are draws and combo draws? If you think he's on a draw and shove you are only getting called by the big draws and hands that have you beat. If you check back OTT not only are you then dodging the live equity you think they have, but now are getting value from medium hands he would have folded if you shoved OTT. If the flush hits there is no way in hell he bluffs at it because it looks like you hit it. So if he bets OTR after the flush hits you know its for value and you can fold. But if the flush doesn't hit, there are so many more medium strength hands that he will think are good that he will then try to incorrectly Check c/value bet with. Also it will induce him to bluff alot more hands after it looked like you slowed down OTT.

"So I'm guessing the hands you want to get value out of OTT you couldn't on the *river* are draws and combo draws?"

On a different note -

Let me paraphrase Zachary Elwood who wrote "Reading Poker tells" and whose tip has earned me lots of money.

An immediate SNAPP call is almost always a very strong draw that you don't need to think about calling. Whenever your opponent snap calls he did not spend enough time considering the merits of raising instead of calling. Meaning that he has to be on a draw. If he had a set or two pair he would spend time considering raising again.

I have found this tell to be true almost every single time its come in to play.

I'm glad he agrees with me.