Folds to me on the BTN with A9d stack of 265. I just sat down and havent played many hands and raise to 15.

SB is a tight regular not tricky (gathered from converation dress and age) and calls with a starting stack of 150. Effective stack is 150 because BB folds.

Flop is A68 of hearts
Check /check

Turn Qs
Sb bets 25 /Call

river Jd
Sb allin /. Hero ??

I image his range is straight forward. Betting the flop protects my equity but I cant see getting called by much worse. I think he may bet the turn with a draw or Q or a made flush. River bet I can only beat a bluff.

Hows my line in general with the hand?

Sometimes I consider raising to 10 on the button in a 1/3 game if it’s folded to me.

As played absolutely okay to open this hand.

15 is too big in my opinion

As played I checking the flop is okay but betting is okay too.

We can get him to bluff some turns and rivers I think by checking back the flop.

Easy fold to the all in.

I’m calling the turn as well

^ Pretty much all of this.

Top pair, 9 kicker is way down the list of hands I would think about bluff catching the river with. I like how you played the hand, though agree with Richard's comment about opening smaller OTB.

Thanks. Any good reading that can back up your idea of opening smaller? I think the goal is to have lower quality hands call the most they will. I rarely will be 3 bet bluff if ever in this spot. Im not looking to steal the blinds cheap and I got one caller who probably made a flush on me and otherwise is going to play passive. Not saying raising smaller is wrong I guess I just dont see why you guys think so

It's controversial. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-much-1158380/

A tight reg is never shoving this river with a hand worse than TP, 9 kicker.

Thread isn't really relevant because it's about PF sizing in general.

The argument is this: normally when we're raising, from a random spot on the table, we're raising a pretty strong range, and since our opponents are typically willing to call large raises with a weak range, we may as well size up to get value and to create a bigger pot to press our advantage postflop. When open raising from the button however, we are (or should be) raising a wide, weak range just trying to take down the blinds. Therefore we should pick the smallest sizing that gets the job done, because our range is wide enough that we probably don't have an advantage when called.

I like the flop check and turn call. Once he rips it though, this is a super easy fold. Assuming you did that, vwp.


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Right but Im not trying to steal the blinds. I think its more profitable in this spot to play a pot aggainst these guys in position with 30% of hands. I dont think stealing is going to have much EV against them. I want a call and expect a call and think theres good value at 15. Althought SB is tight for a random 1/3 player, hes loose compared to optimal strategy for how passive he is and straight forward. A slow play being the most tricky play hes capable of. I saw BB play a AQ hand and lose his entire stack calling three barrels with Ace high and was confused and sad when it didnt win the pot. Now I have limited hand history with these guys and am acting like I have them pegged but assuming my read is right then I think Im on the right track with my bet sizing and general strategy. I also think I can nonstandardize my raises and they wont be able to expliot that so I can raise 10 7 offsuit to 10 bucks and wont get three bet

exactly, that's why it's an easy fold.

We're suited right? I'm fine with preflop (although might raise slightly less if I think I have the same amount of FE, especially against the smaller stack). If blinds are more capable of realizing this looks like an obvious Button open I might just limp to call.

Against a non-tricky reg I think I might lean to betting this flop to protect against flush draws. Nothing big, just a 1/2 PSB which will typically end things. If he continues I might just try to get to showdown for cheap.

I'd be much cooler with a flop check back to start calling some bets against a somewhat tricky opponent. Against a straightforward opponent, it becomes a much more meh spot on the turn, where I might even lean towards a nit fold (is he really betting worse here even given our flop check). And ditto thinking for river.

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Right I think I should bet the flop as played fold turn. Why open smaller? I seem to be struggling with the theory behind opening here. Im not worried about theory on my raise to balance my range so much as whats the theory on the exact hand

I used to think opening to $15 here was fine; if carries ok FE and if we get called, whatever, maybe we win more postflop thanks to being in position with initiative. However, I've been rethinking this a little bit more, especially playing against smaller stacks; raising to 10% of stacks ain't necessarily a great idea as it will create a fairly small SPR and we can run into some domination issues, and the big losses we incur in these spots might not offset some of the steals we do. Both methods have pros and cons, but in the end I think it's likely better to open smaller simply because we're risking less and it handcuffs us less postflop (unless we're fine with being handcuffed with TP postflop, such as with AK or a big overpair, where at this stack size we're fine with committing and thus are fine with a big raise preflop).

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That makes a lot of sense. For some reason I associate bigger pre raise with worse play from my opponents often in 1/3. I think with normal raises and half pot Cbets opponents find more natural solutions. When opening 5x I think it punishes a 67 of hearts fit or fold strategy more. I guess I feel like the combination of lack of three bets and lack of bluffs in general at 1/3 makes me feel like we play the value game in position. The only con I see is if we are behind in value like you say but most players are unable to maximize SPR and still might value bet small whereas I can value bet allin. Put any decent player in the blinds and I hate the bet! Id open for 7

133bb/100. I take that.

Oh! Please explain

If it´s folded to you, and you open everytime and they fold everytime (stealing the blinds), you are collecting 1.3 bb per hand or 133bb/100 hands. that´s a decent winrate.

The point is, stealing the blinds uncontested is a very good result.

Okay although I said SB was tight for 1/3 hes not really all that nitty and I expect a call with any hand he wants to look at a flop with. Same goes for BB. Also theyre passive so my strategy was to play a pot with them with a solid range in position. Not steal the blinds. If it happens it happens

Mostly grunch:

I think pf is too big as well, but I mostly advocate for smaller pf raises than others on this forum.

I think flop is an easy bet here since we have a range advantage (we would bet a lot here if we whiffed so we should bet a rather large value range too). Also we have a super easy fold to a raise since we have no hearts. I'd much rather check A9.

As played, river fold is fine.

I think Richard's post is good, I also would open smaller but I'm that donkey still opening 3bb+1bb and min-raising on the button...if you had min-clicked it) really raise to 5 for convenience sake then I would bet this flop as you would raise all you Ax on the button, for this big of a raise its prob one of your worst Aces so a good candidate to check back, also folding this river.