HERO/CO(300) probably viewed as young hotshot raising pre alot

V/BB(300) OM without C, somewhat tight/reasonable preflop. seems to be betting when checked to alot, no showdowns.

1 loose passive limp
HERO 16 w 99
BB cold calls

HU
FLOP(35) T74r

HERO 25
V call

HU
TURN(85) 8o

c/c

HU
RIV(85) 4

HERO check
V bet 30
HERO fold

Looks like we're OOP, so I'm going to assume Villain is the Button.

I'm fine with preflop. Having said that, it isn't a crime against nature to overlimp here, and it will setup an easier postflop situation (one where we are unlikely to build a huge pot with what will mostly end up being a mediocre hand).

I'm cool with the flop bet, although I probably just go $20.

I'm cool with the turn. We don't want to get blown off our draw, we have a showdownable hand that doesn't want a bigger pot, etc.

I'd probably bet/fold the river. This guy thinks we are FOS raisey and called the flop with any piece. If he had complete air, I think he mighta bet the turn, so I don't think he has complete air (where check/calling the river would be better). Our AK missed and obviously we don't have the 4, so we look real FOS betting the river and will get looked up lightly, imo. I probably go $65 to make it look like I'm attempting to get him to fold. We'll own ourselves sometimes.

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What are you beating on the river?

probably nothing reasonable.

I'm fine with pre, flop and turn. I'm not sure about river. I actually like checking better than bet/fold, because he's not calling with worse. I would usually check/fold against a passive player, but for $30 I might look him up -- especially with the read that he bets when checked to. He was checked to twice, so he must be itching to bet

I did not bet river guys?

My guess is Villain could easily play 7x/66/55/33/22/etc exactly like this and setup a bluffcatcher against a young aggro hotshot.

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Maybe. I'd rather rely on the "seems to be betting when checked to alot" tell.

There are far more combos of Tx that will call at a much higher frequency then the above listed bluffcatching range

I would probably still bet this river with my nit image.

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I'm confused. Are we in position or out of position? Looks like we're CO but we checked riv first to act. I could go either way OTR IP. If checked to, I could check back or VB small like $25 hoping to get called by 7x or 4x.

Oop, I'd c/f. He's unlikely to bet any hand we beat.

either b/f river, or c/c river

unless you think OMnoC is *only* calling your flop bet with a T, overpair, or 56, I think that fold is pretty horrible, especially when you say this:

also, if you're raising 99 in the SB, you are repping a bigger hand, so why check the turn?

if you're going to post a hand, you need to make the positions clear

Call. Obv Tx possible but we are getting 3.9:1 v needs to show up with worse a little more often than 20% of the time. He seems to bet when checked to a lot so either he's a habitual trapper chronically missing value or has air / weak a fair amount that he's willing to bet when others lose interest.

I know I know, I made a mistake in the positions. He is btn not bb

Line looks fine imo, now call river.

So villain can call the flop with 7x, Tx, 98, 86, overpairs (not many of those though). His Tx could pot control the turn, but a lot of them should be TPGK+ type of hands. So, JT-AT.

Our hand when we check the river just looks like AK that missed. So his 86, 7x, 98 may just fire a frisky little bet. We're getting great odds (3 to 1) and the river 4 is a pretty great card for us. So in game, call for sure.

If we want to get fancy, we could try a slick river x/r. We hold the best blocker cards blocking the nut straights and could very well get a T to fold. Then again, calling is definitely more standard.

98 or A7, but Villain probably shows 54 and notes that he would have folded to a turn bet.

Hand looks fine to me until the river, maybe I'm a station but I'm not folding here getting 4:1 when V can be button-clicking with 98 or 87 or random Ace-highs that he called flop with. Pretty sure you can never go wrong calling getting 4:1 at LLSNL with a hand that has showdown value as the spazz factor probably makes you good at least 25-30% of the time. Once you have reads on a specific villain's tendencies then you can start making exploitative folds in spots like these but your default should be to call.

We've got a great bluff catcher. Why wouldn't villain bet Tx on the turn? To get minimum value on the river from exactly 99? Seems far fetched. Call river and feel good about it.

Read thru the OP, got to the river and said "wait wut", there are certainly villains we can fold to here, but this is a call without a read that suggests otherwise. Bad villains will button click here enough at this sizing to call. 89, A7, 2 overs... We can be beat a lot here, but 30 to win 115? Snap call.

Check/folding is fine. 4:1 is no good.

54 got there, 98, J8, 86, 85, and 7x don't bet, A4 improved, and Tx has lots of combos.

I'd check to him planning to check/fold to a reasonable bet.

You could consider c/r the small bet as a bluff. It's a scary board. His bet looks weak. A raise to 125 is pretty compelling re: risk/reward and likely fold % with lots of Tx combos.

I think check/call vs this bet is meh and probably -EV. Can't be too bad though.

Let me talk this through

OMnoC calls a flop bet in position on the flop after calling a pretty stiff PF raise ( 5x? this game gets big i take it?) T74r flop. What is he calling us with here? 98 is in that range, but I see Broadway10 and middle pairs here imo

C/C on the turn is interesting with the 8 coming up. The check is good, imo, but I think you have to call the river then on all non 6/J rivers.

So put me in the call camp. 30 to win 115 on a board like this, this guys got enough hands in his range that we can beat.