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07-15-2018 , 05:04 PM

SUYAPA

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This is a hand a poker friend of mine played.

Hero new at the table (200€) raises after 1 limper to 15€ with 99. MAWG to his left (500€) 3b to 50, hero calls.
Not much info on villain only that when i 3b him before with AK he flatted oop QQ 100bb eff. Suspected 3b range of AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK (maybe AQs too).

After the hand we had a discussion about it so i thought i ask what you guys think about preflop?

Last edited by SUYAPA; 07-15-2018 at 05:22 PM.

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07-15-2018 , 05:18 PM

riverfish1

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it's terrible.

- you don't have set odds
- if A/K comes jam seems terrible. You're basically trying to get JJ/QQ off a hand where they're getting 3:1
- if no A/K comes jam seems terrible. You allow vill to get away from AK/AQs and call with all better pairs - so should have just jammed pre

You're either jamming or folding pre. The 3-bet/flat OOP with QQ needs more context. Doing this UTG vs UTG+1 is much different than CO vs BTN. Given that, I think his range is wider than you have assigned and am jamming pre.

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07-15-2018 , 05:39 PM

SUYAPA

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Originally Posted by riverfish1

it's terrible.

The 3-bet/flat OOP with QQ needs more context. Doing this UTG vs UTG+1 is much different than CO vs BTN. Given that, I think his range is wider than you have assigned and am jamming pre.

When i 3b him we were in mp. I was sitting to his direct left, my friend to his direct right.
Avg LLSNL players where i play have extremely tight 3b ranges. Most ppl there dont even 3b JJ. So for unknown players i assume they have a tight 3b range until i have more info.

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07-15-2018 , 05:56 PM

riverfish1

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given stack size it's really all-in or fold pre.

It then becomes a pure math question - stove it with likely ranges. Given a range of JJ+, AQs+,AKo you have ~35% equity.

Jaming risks 185 to win 72 or about 2.5:1. Assuming he never 3b folds (not a terrible assumption given how tight of a 3b range you're assigning and stack sizes) you need ~71% equity to jam.

So fold.

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07-16-2018 , 08:09 AM

SUYAPA

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For me it's a crystal clear fold.
Just want kinda confirmation to show to him

Somebody else any thoughts?

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07-16-2018 , 12:33 PM

gobbledygeek

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What position is Hero in? The earlier this is, the more the preflop raise is meh with non-deep stacks (imo, although others will disagree).

Calling a 3bet against a tight range OOP for 1/4 of our stack (and at this point only getting about 6:1) is horrible.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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07-16-2018 , 02:07 PM

SUYAPA

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I think it was utg+1 and i think we were 8 handed at this time

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