1/3 99 feel like I misplayed this
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Hero has been very tag for a few hours mostly just folding and staying around the same stack. I have 125bb or so
Cutoff live straddles to $6, hero is first to act and sees 99 and raises to $21
Folds to bb who is the only caller. He's fairly new to the table, been here maybe an orbit. Hero slightly covers, I think he bought in for 100bb and may have won a small pot
Pot is ~45 heading to the flop
Flop is TTQ rainbow.
V checks, hero bets $30, V quickly calls
Turn is a blank, I think a random 3 to complete the rainbow
C/c
Pot is ~105
River is a 9
V bets 65, hero.....?
Might be the most obvious shove ever but I'm not so sure and want to see what everyone thinks and I'll reveal the end along w my thought process
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So around 100 left?
did villian check call the turn with a full house?
i very much doubt this, so shipping sounds profitable and villian calls with a straight a lot.
edit: on another note, did he boat up river as well T9? very doubtful as well.
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Preflop could be bigger, we definitely want some fold equity with 99.
I think i mostly check back this flop, as we only fold out worse hands. Otoh we could use some protection so betting can't be bad.
Otr, i mean how scary are those monsters under your bed that you're considering not shoving here? V should have dozens of combos of KJ/Tx/Qx, and exactly 8 combos of QT/TT/T9.
I could maybe talk myself into making it 150 to get more calls from Qx, but then we are missing so much value vs the other part of his range.
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I felt like a shove would be slightly over betting and getting me into a spot where he would for sure fold a q, and consider folding Tx
I wanted to get called, so I clicked it back and he called with T8s
I think it was okay not to shove because if I shove he might actually lay it down which I didn't want and stacks were kinda awkward on the river, slightly too big to get it in with his bet. If he bets closer to pot size then I would just shove.
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Your table plays a lot differently than mine if a $21 raise in a straddled pot somehow gets this HU. I would just limp first in and go from there (possibly even limp/reraising if an aggro guy raises and gets called in a lotta spots, although probably mostly just setmining with this non-short stack). Great result (HU, in position, with initiative), but I wouldn't expect this much at my table.
I probably bet slightly smaller on the flop. Board is fairly drawless and we're not exactly looking to build a huge pot. Our hand is vulnerable if it's good, but a $20 - $25 bet should be more than enough to protect against an over or two. If we're behind, we're drawing pretty slim.
I'm pretty cool with checking back the turn with our very mediocre hand and making a river decision.
I'd probably shove here. An OESD did get there and he could have Tx, and both of these hands are going to have a hard time folding. We might lose Qx but we might lose Qx to any raise. QQ/TT are possible although sometimes these 3bet preflop. If he has QT/T9, we're probably going to lose our stack. Stacks are in a bit of a weird spot where I don't think we can raise/fold (which could be considered if we were deeper); like if we raise to $150 and he shoves for $150 more we'd just need to call $150 to win $550 (pretty sure we can't fold even though it would be a gross spot against most players with a clue since we beat no fullhouse other than a loose 33).
ETA: Against random unknowns (which it sounds like this guy is) you should almost always overbet shove with monster hands as they have no clue what you're about and will often make the call possibly thinking you may be a maniac or big bluffer. If you have a long history with your opponent and he correctly labels you a nit then there is more of an argument for a smaller bet size. Last session out, my 44 flopped 744 in a 5way limped pot; I let the flop check thru, I bet $10 into $15 on an A turn, and the big fish who I've only played with a handful of times before called; he snap called by lol $150 shove into $35 on a T river and sigh showed an Ace. Go for max value with monsters against unknowns, even if the bet size seems ******ed, imo.
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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 11-17-2017 at 12:15 PM.
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Def bet flop smaller.
Otr don’t think about how strong you look or worry about scaring people away etc etc. A part of becoming a really good player is pushing your value shoves to the max in the right spots and this is a clear value shove.
More important than getting an extra $80 from Qx is always stacking Tx and KJ. And trust me, you always stack Tx and KJ.
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Easy shove as played; it's not close.
Flop bet is way too big. I like betting 99 for equity denial but no need to go so big. 15 would be a good sizing.
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Yeah I shove here river. If he has a better full house then I just write that off to the nature of poker. "That's poker! Nice hand sir."