Table: 1/3, just started about 30 minutes ago. Lots of limping all around. Most pots get raised to 12-18. People are 50/50 folding and calling.

Hero: Most aggressive at the table, but that's not saying much. Ive popped the BB 2x after a bunch of limpers, first time to $20, got one caller and this hand. (Covers)

V1: Limp calling 3 hands. He raised once, been at the table for 20 minutes. ($225)

V2: Somewhat competent. Reasonably tight. I expect him to play mostly face up post flop. ($300)

Pre
UTG limps
V1 limps
2 limps
V2 limps
1 limp
SB folds
Hero raises to $30 in the BB with 99:
V1 calls
V2 calls
All else fold

V2's range here is almost 100% pps lower than mine with the occasional suited connector mixed in.
V1's range is harder to peg down. Maybe strong Aces, pps, suited connectors, and a few Broadway combos.

Flop ($100) 8TQ
Hero leads $55
V1 calls
V2 folds

Turn ($210) 9
Ck
Ck

River ($210) 3
Hero bets $85

Thoughts?

Good bet. Don't see V checking back a J in this spot ott.

any thought process for checking OTT?

I like a touch bigger, might look bluffier, and get calls from stuff like KQ/AQ/89/9T. $120 sounds good

I'm checking the turn because it isn't really the best card for me. If im ahead its hard to get value. And it puts a 1 liner to a straight out there.

Wrong thought process?

grunch

pre you can argue for a raise, sure, but without strong reads I prefer checking to avoid spots like this. You don't really have an equity edge--many lowstakes villains are limping AK, AQ, TT etc--and there are very few flops that you'll be comfortable with.

With that said, you gain the initiative and will take down the pot often with a cbet, so this is by no means bad.

I'm checking the flop, which smacks these two limp/calling ranges.

Nice turn check and bet on the river. I probably bet/fold a bit smaller--60-70ish.

Yeah I think c/f is the right move otf most of the time.

turn/river looks good to me.

I'm actually with mtagliaf on betting the river bigger. Given description of V1 and the turn check-back, there's a decent chance V1 has 2p and will call substantially more.

People advocating checking this flop vs. two predictable opponents are, I think, not c-betting often enough. According to the OP, the flop doesn't hit V2 hard at all. Would you not c-bet this heads up?

Little baffled by this post. How does this flop not hit V2's range? What are the cards you think he can have?

Also, how often do you think we can generate two folds here?

OP said V2's range was almost always underpairs, so that leaves 3 combos of 88 that this flop improves. I'm not saying OP's ranging is correct, just trying to think it through from his perspective and credit his reads.

Once we discount the flop's hitting V2, then we can treat the flop almost as if we were heads up -- or that's what I was thinking.


-EF

This is just an honest-to-goodness tough spot.

I like your preflop action.

I think you should check this flop. Probably call if the bet is not to big. But c/f flop is definitely a viable option if the action gets too frothy.

As played on the turn: I think I decide to commit to the hand and go broke here, so I'm going to represent a J and pot it.

Playing 99 out of position in a multiway pot is not going to be profitable.

Just check the BB

I would much rather just see a flop here. FWIW, they don't give out badges for being the most aggressive at the table, and even if they did, it would have to be a pretty cool badge in order for me to want to win it.

Hmmm, a really sucky flop for our hand, OOP against two opponents. Didn't see that one coming. Actually, I did, and that's why I would have happily seen a cheap flop here.

I probably would have just given up on this flop and check/folded it. If I am going to take a stab at it, I probably would have bet less (I'm guessing a $35 bet here would have accomplished the same thing?).

On the turn, Villain only has $140 left and the pot is $210. He shouldn't have a J unless he had J + pair. I feel pretty committed at this point, I'm just getting it in there now.

As played, if Villain is calling $85 into a $210 pot, he's calling $140 into a $210 about 1% less. I shove the river.

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Agree with GG on preflop and flop. I probably play turn and river the same as OP though. I might just shove the river to make it look bluffy. I like delaying the bet till the river because it makes it more likely villain will pay us off on this scary board. I agree with GG that villain rarely has a J here.

pre flop is terrible, flop is terrible, turn is terrible, river meh

Troll much?

I fully expect to be ahead 100% of the Tim pre flop. I think this raise size normally gets it heads up or takes down the entire pot of $25 both of which are very good results.

Are you saying that you only know how to set mine with your good pocket pairs?

Flop Im accepting advice on, but you are not helpful. Go waste time in someone else's thread please.

yeah, but if you didn't think you played it bad you wouldn't have posted, I play terrible sometimes too, so it's not a personal insult

I disagree with both these statements. Ppl limp/call TT all the time and you rarely if ever get it HU

sorry but I'm taking a hiatus from poker and am bored, flop is burning money because you are never getting called by worse, never folding out better, and your outs are not clean

turn is a bet because your outs just became clean and you finally have FE (Qx can finally fold)

river is terrible if your plan was b/f

Pre flop is fine. Folks only think its terrible because we have a terrible flop texture for it. If we had even a slightly better flop texture, it would be a non-issue. Even if we had AA, this flop texture would suck.

You are wrong and OP is right.

If it takes someone telling you to piss off to get you to actually post something helpful, you are by definition, trolling. Don't be sorry. Just stop trolling.