Hi all,

Brand new to the table this is my 4th hand.

I have 300 to start and nearly all V's cover me.

3 people limp to me. Im on the button with 8s9s and raise to $21

one limper calls and others fold.

($52) Flop Kd 9c 4c

He checks and I check back

Turn is Kc

He checks I bet 15 and he asks am I bluffing? and he calls

($82)River is a 9d He leads for $50

V is prob early 30's has like 600 to start. Has a lot of tattoos and is talking a lot.

I never win a hand against "the speech".

Even a short one.

But then when I do c-bet it's more than 29% of the pot.

When I see Heroes c-betting that small, someone often floats them and takes it away on the turn or river.

But then I never make the full house on the river. YMMV but it's hard to fold for only 50 more.

Fold. Speech is sign of strength. If he was going to bluff he would keep his mouth shut and never even think of letting the thought of "bluffing" enter into your head.

Even without his speech, I would fold here as donk leads on the river are always the nuts.

Bet flop, you raised pre and hit middle pair HU vs. a limp/caller. May also have fold equity vs. JJ/TT.

As played, call. I would be asking why trip kings would check turn and risk a 4th club on the river? You block K9. If has K4, make mental note.

Clear fold, he's got a K 100% of the time.

I think the hand is well played and I'm calling him off here.

Prefer a limp pre vs this many limpers because it gets a little too expensive to try to isolate.

WP post-flop call river.

Why buy the lead preflop to check the flop h/u. Your ahead a large amount of the time here. When the turn pairs the K it makes it "less likely" he has a king, that being said id check the turn for pot control and try to make it to showdown since your hand has sd potential. betting the turn just allows him to steal this pot away from you.

I agree with everyone about the speech...however there are talented enough players to do the its the opposite of the opposite...the ol im strong means weak, but actually strong line of thinking (if your opponent is on that lvl)

fold? how? you have to call 50 to win 130 and you have a full house

never fold here

Because V never shows up with anything but a K here. V would have folded all of his 9x on the turn once the flush comes in, unless he had the Ac to go with it.


V would never turn a flush or 44 into a bluff here, so that narrows down his range to Kx. I'll give you 1 chop combo of Ac9h, and I think his lead size would be way smaller, somewhere like $25-$30, not $50.


Oh, and the speech.

I don't hate the raise, but I think I prefer overlimping on the button after 3 limpers.

As played, good result with only one caller. This would be a standard cbet for me. You can then check the turn behind and evaluate the river.

As played, call the river. I'm not super happy or anything, but folding would really be out of the question against an unknown, "speech" or no speech.

the $15 turn bet put you in this spot
it looked and smelled like a weak scared bet

as played I call

I just overlimp preflop. We don't have reads and no one has reads on us so I'm not sure why we should be bloating a pot with 9 high. We got an awesome result (HU in position with initiative) but I'm guessing we had no idea if that would be the case.

I bet the flop. There's a decent chance our hand is best but if it is it is very vulnerable. There's also draws that can pay off. It also gives up turn options.

I'd probably bet more on the turn as we gave flush draws decent odds.

Readless and given the extreme weakness we've shown in this hand, plus the fact that Kx is likely getting more into the pot at some point beforehand due to the flush draw, I'm calling the river.

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AP turn is a check. River is a fold.

You actually can bet flop.