First paragraph: I just meant I hate being OOP in any lineup.
Second paragraph: 3ways with one shorty all in - dry-ish sidepot; no chance to outplay him And get him to fold.
Third paragraph: exactly, youre ranging them on pretty much everythinggggg 😀

Yeah this is true.

You dont think 77s are ahead of Vs calling range though?

Though its results oriented if V showed up here w K10ss and 45o isnt hat indication that is ahead of their calling range? Or am Im constructing their calling range incorrectly?

I think you're constructing your English sentences poorly in this thread with uses of "hombre" and "broski"

Once again I agree QJo is not a standard open UTG.

Also, not that there were any players savy enough to exploit this showdown but if there were once this hand goes to show down id be sure to super tighten up my UTG opening raises in the event that a thinking player might 3bet or try to exploit.

Since I usually sit deep would probably include a 4bet to protect my range as well depending on how deep the other player is.

But in general I agree QJo not standard. Obviouslt it was a good result though ����*♂️


In another hand I opened AJsuited UTG to 6x and got called by 3 players in early position. Flop came AJ8ssd and I lead for like 85% pot. Both call. Turn is a Kc and I ship for like 300. V1 folds and V2 snaps. I assumed he had a draw but this dude had A10dh ������ of course he binkes the Q on the river �� but I didnt even care I knew I was a realtively weak table

Sorry breh english is my 3rd language hombre. 😏

You tell me, is 77 ahead of K10ss? Or enough ahead that you want to play a bloated pot OOP? I would think 77 is never ahead of V’s range here.

I think generally speaking its an unfavorable position. But for a plYer thats only plYing 15 bigs then limps and shoves im def ahead of that range. But i agree w your overall point.

At a table with no one else raising this kinda suggests that it's possible some people are limping monsters (which is what I do, FWIW), so I'd just happily see a cheap multiway flop with a great multiway hand with what sounds like a great image to get paid off postflop if we hit. Raising here just risks so much (including getting blown off our setmining equity by getting 3bet) for so little. And if anyone does call we end up OOP in a huge bloated where we mostly flop horrible, plus perhaps against people who aren't just going to check it down but possibly attempt to steal pots. But I'm passive like that.

I probably would have bet smaller on the flop. We're basically just trying to end the hand for as cheap as possible at this point.

At a table where no one else is raising I see no reason to eliminate JJ from his range (with my guess being JJ flats far more raises than it 3bets nowadays).

Think it's a pretty easy fold as played. The main pot is protected so less likely getting out-of-hand. The worst he likely has is a draw which could easily be a slight fave, and otherwise we're often just simply crushed (apart from being up against an overly aggro 66).

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If we're all-in preflop or everyone is just going to checkdown to showdown postflop, then being ahead of everyone's calling range preflop is pretty important. It becomes *much* less important if everyone has decent stacks behind + ain't gonna check it down + we're OOP.

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Preflop which is smallish to medium mistake is getting all the attention.

Calling the raise is where the punt happened. Which strongly suggest our postflop skill doesn't meet the criteria to open wide from OOP.

Postflop I think your sizing was okish but would just bf

I also checkback at a decent frequency with plans of delay cbetting certain turn

Complete pre, raise is spew. AP b/f flop is fine, but b/c is godawful

Agreeeeeed

I don't think your pf play is necessarily spew. It's pretty clear that you're way ahead of Villain's calling range when you are getting calls from KTs and 45o -- you must have a wild image to be getting this kind of action. Flop play is awful. When we have a loose and wild image opponents are less likely to raise us with a bluff. I agree with previous commenter that if we're going to be making big mistakes with this hand postflop then raising pre is a mistake.

The point isnt that 77 is ahead of peoples calling range. The point is that we have no idea what their calling range is and we will be OOP in a bloated pot with no idea if they hit the flop or not. There will almost always be multiple overcards and we have no idea if they hit them or not and we have to act first.

Its basically impossible to play well post flop in a situation like this. Youre setting yourself up for failure completely needlessly.

Yeah, please ignore my comment. I made a mistake when I entered ranges into pokercruncher.

Raising 77 from the SB is most definitely spew. If you plug 77 against a top 20% range in pokercruncher you will see you have less than 50% equity. When you combine that with the fact you are playing OOP, which counts for a few points of equity loss, raising becomes largely negative EV. You would need a HUGE postflop skill gap to make up for positional disadvantage.

If you're getting called this wide, I can see an argument for 3-betting 88+ from the SB. Even 88 is a bit marginal. I suggest you play around with ranges in pokercruncher to convince yourself of why.