V winning lag, super aggro. He bluffs a lot but has only shown value hands this session.

H playing tag but have this weird dynamic with villain, he has been 3betting %75 of my opens and I've been calling them pretty wide. We have played together multiple times. I usually just take a c/c, c/c, c/c line against villain because he triple barrels with air so often.

Hero (2300) is dealt A K in MP bets $15

Villain (covers) raises to $50. Hero Calls.

Flop (100) J T :: 2: Hero Checks. Villain bets $75. Hero Calls.

Turn (250) Q Hero checks. V bets $175, Hero raises to $425. V thinks for a minute and calls.

River (1100) 5 Hero checks, Vilain bets $1000. Hero?

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

[ ] sick river

4bet pre.

Bet river.

I dont understand why you check and are now confused? Stick all the money in the middle. If he has a flush GG sir. YOure getting value from many worse hands

Looks more bluffy than flushy to me. Most folks don't need a minute to summon up a call with a draw. Also, he's bet more than I would with the flush. I want to get paid so I'd toss in 1/2 pot or so.

This is likely avoided with a little bigger turn raise but...you want to get paid too. He's looking at ~3.4 to 1 immediate and he may have a gut draw to go with a flush draw.

I call. I hate it too.

Raise turn a bit bigger.

I'm definitely betting around $800 on the river, and calling it off. As played, c/r all in.

Grunch:

Turn seems too small of a raise.

V is betting pretty big the whole way through. 3/4 pot on the flop, 3/4 pot on the turn so there's a good chance that he has a hand that he likes, and you raise him only $250 more. I'd be looking for fat value here. After you call his turn bet and before you raise there is $600 in the pot.

You raise $250 more, giving him 8.5:2.5 on a call, ~3.3:1. A great price for any set, a great price for any flush draw (and hes IP on the river which makes it harder for us) as we're going to be hard pressed to fold to reasonable river bet, and you're not really setting up your self up to play for stacks on better river cards. I.e. most of the deck that's not a spade or 5TJQ. (16/43 cards)

Pot will be $1100 with you both having $1750 behind on the river. Obv we want to be playing for stacks here. I'd raise to $575 or so (maybe even a touch more than that). This gives him ~2.9:1 and also makes the pot $1400, with us having $1600 behind, much easier to open jam, bet/call, or check/jam the river making him feel committed to the pot depending on his river tendencies, our line with previous strong hands/bluffs, and the river card.

Re the river: He shouldn't have a whole lot of flushes in his range, as I think the most of the flushes in his range are KJ KT JT type hands. What other hands is he 3betting you with pre flop? Maybe 78 type hand, but there isn't a whole lot of those out there. Esp since we have the A blocker. There are certainly some sets in his range also. As well as two pair.

I think I'm inclined to bet/call on the river against a laggy agro. Maybe check jam. But given that we checked, I'd certainly check jam here.

To let him bluff at it? I havent shown a lot of aggression vs villain so i think my hand is pretty face up and he would only call with better.

What hand is betting flop, bet/calling a turn c/r, then bluffing on the river?

A question from beginner: If V is a winning player with a laggy image, is he really bluffing the river after the super-strong c/r from Hero on turn? I don't think so. A winning villain would even check back a set here because Hero's range seems specifically straights here that want to check-call.

Grunch

I think if he is 4 betting you with any 2 cards 4 betting AK is a definite must which would be for value. Flop is fine but I think your sizing should be larger maybe like 600-650. Easy shove on most rivers. As played vs that image of his I think it's a call, it's just lame that you don't have the nuts any more.

I actually don't mind just flatting the 3b pre. But I am 4b to $125 sometimes. Probably half/half, flat/4b.

Flop is fine. But I might find a x/r here too. This board hits both Hero's and Villain's ranges, so let's put some fire to the coals.

Turn good.

I don't know why you don't just b/c the river though.

As played, I probably just sigh/call the river.

Yes.

This. Not sure about the 4bet pre this deep though, I'd rather flat pre. Also realize that aceking high post flop is often good against this villain. As played he k call river. I would rather bet call against this villain though

Why in the world are we sitting OOP, extremely deepstacked, to a winning super aggro player? Surely there must be a better seat at the table?

Everything else (i.e. preflop and postflop play) pales in comparison to our current seat position, imo.

Gseatchange;nothingelseisevenremotelyrelevantG

I can't fold this.


If villain is smart, he knows you are really strong on the turn. However, could just as easily called the turn with like TT, hoping to either boat up for rep the flush draw if it hits. That could have been what he was thinking about in a situation with JJ or TT that is likely not the best hand at the time.

So Villain had 89s?

4bet pre if he's 3betting that wide. He's probably 3betting super wide against you because you have no 4betting range against him and you'll just play fit or fold postflop.

River should've been a bet but as played it looks like we have a hand we're going to check/call with. So the question for me is if he could be valuebetting with worse. I think K9o and 89o value bet river here since our range looks mainly like sets and top 2 rather than the nut straight after we check river, so based on that I'm calling.

If he is wildly aggro, I call. However, this feels so much like a flush to me. Afro players open with anything and hate folding to a 3! So he literally can have atc. He bets the flop because all aggros c bet. Then he lead the turn when he picked up a draw to continue, and when you raised (too small I might add) he knew you would pay him off if he hit. Which he did, and I think you did

[x] Super aggro who 3 barrels often
[x] 1-3 stakes
[ ] Winning

Anyways, i 4bet this a decent chunk of the time. Dont hate flatting this deep either though. River you can just call this deep, its hard to imagine a worse hand that will call a shove, unless hes bad, which he probably is, but w/e

I probably would have bet called river myself. Also the bdfd on river really isnt sick.

Results?

4bet pre

i would lead the turn

and as played b/f river for 65% pot

I'm ok without a 4! sometimes. Granted, what is Hs 4! range? if V really 3!s 100% of Hs raises, H needs to have some 4! range, and it needs to be bigger than KK+, AKs. If it is, then flatting sometimes produces an unpolarized range for H.

Flop seems standard given preflop flat

Turn, I don't understand the raise to $425. First off, its pretty much textbook Buluga (sp?) theorem. Id either lead or call. But if you're sure V isn't going to get alarms going off with a c/r, you have to get max value here. An extra 250 into a pot that is 600 isn't anything, he's calling 250 for 850. I'd go something like 600 to go. that's calling 425 for 1025

River is his bluff card. Personally, I think with your c/c, c/r, check line you are repping a worse hand than you have, but anything you are repping is still losing to a flush. I don't mind the check on the river, but if you're going to turn your hand into a bluffcatcher, you have to catch the bluff...

It's a shame that you are not about 1000-1500 deeper, because your A blocker has probably zero FE for a AI shove for only 700 more, if he actually does have a flush and you wanted to try to push him off it...

Fwiw, I think a J or 10 would have been sicker rivers.

i think pre is fine. id rather 4b AKs this deep, and i think its helpful to have AKo in our flat range to keep it strong. you should probably adjust by tightening up your open range a bit and 4b bluffing more.

flop: c/r>b/f>>>>c/c~c/f this flop is better for your flat 3b range than for his 3b range, you have a gutshot with blockers to AA/KK, this is a hand you probably should be c/r. added bonus is that you have a small amount of showdown value and good top pair draws if the flop checks through. dont really mind b/f either, just depends how comfortable you are splitting your ranges and adding a donk range (and adjusting your c/r and c/c ranges accordingly)

as played turn is fine, im assuming youre gonna get here with a decent number of spade combos that would like to c/r too. AsKx is a pretty nice hand to c/r for value here.

wtf is everyone thinking on the river, for the love of god do not c/r (maybe deeper as a bluff but thats not really relevant). getting to the river this way, AKo is probably now near the bottom of your range bc you should have been c/r the turn with a lot of your spade combos so you have a bunch of flushes. that all being said, its a pretty weird spot and its hard to see what kind of air V can have here, and i really dont think hed be value betting worse, but i still think he shows up with enough weird stuff and like AJo turned into a bluff to make a call profitable, especially with the As. i think other people are grossly underestimating the amount that he shows up with flushes here though (particularly Kxss)

some one advocating b/f please expand on why you think its better than c/c, particularly what sorts of hands you think he will bluff catch with here and what bluffs we can even have, as well as how often he has flushes that will jam or call.

+1

You took such a bizarre line, I'm actually not sure what you should do on river.

Thank God villain did something for you.

What's sick is that a "winning lag" should have zero bluffs here.

Also your turn c/r, correct or not, needs to be bigger.

Fold now