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11-16-2018 , 09:42 PM

XXX555666

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Hi all,

New 1/3 game seems like an action table from what I’ve seen so far only been here 40 mins no hands played yet

Effective stack is me at 300

V1 younger kid playing lots with a super aggressive loose villain on his right

V2 MAWG HASNT player a hand yet either

OTTH: I raise UTG TO 25 since there is a 7 dollar straddle with AcKd

V1 calls, V2 calls, one guy jams for 37 total

I call so does the other 2

(159) Flop Ah 10h 4s

We bet 55 V1 folds v2 raises to 110 more

We jam

Standard?

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11-16-2018 , 10:17 PM

ChrisV

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Yeah, standard. Don't see us getting away from this. Minraise could be to "see where he's at" or whatever.

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11-16-2018 , 11:26 PM

johnnyBuz

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I’d just shove the flop first time around. Really hate betting 1/3 pot here.

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11-16-2018 , 11:54 PM

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OP, I'm curious:

Why did you decide to bet 55 on flop w/pot size 159?

Why did you jam the pot after a reraise on flop? Did you expect villain to call, and if so, what hand(s) did you put villain on that would call your shove?

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11-17-2018 , 01:40 AM

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by crsseyed

The hand is a little screwed up. I actually thought the raise was to 110 originally because "raise to 110 more" is weird phrasing. It's "raise to 165" or "raise 110 more", "raise to x more" is a hard to decipher hybrid.

- Pot on the flop is 119, not 159, so 55 is simply roughly half pot.

- At the point where he shoves, it's for 108 more into 449. A "what worse hands will call" analysis at that point is inapplicable, you shove all hands you continue with for protection and because it's going in OTT anyway.

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11-17-2018 , 01:59 AM

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^ guy shoved for 37 pre and four saw the flop so pot size is correct except for not subtracting the rake

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11-17-2018 , 02:46 AM

ChrisV

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Oh, right. I confused myself again.

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11-17-2018 , 06:23 AM

wait

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Gotta be aware of the shorty and make it 22 pre so you can open the action again.

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11-17-2018 , 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wait

Gotta be aware of the shorty and make it 22 pre so you can open the action again.

Is a fair point.

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11-17-2018 , 10:04 AM

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XXX555666

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Originally Posted by crsseyed

No need to bet huge I pretty much have the board locked down.

Bc it’s gomna get in no matter what.

I thought he could have worsenaces flush draws sets two pair

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11-17-2018 , 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

The hand is a little screwed up. I actually thought the raise was to 110 originally because "raise to 110 more" is weird phrasing. It's "raise to 165" or "raise 110 more", "raise to x more" is a hard to decipher hybrid.

- At the point where he shoves, it's for 108 more into 449. A "what worse hands will call" analysis at that point is inapplicable, you shove all hands you continue with for protection and because it's going in OTT anyway.

ah, I see now/thanks

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11-17-2018 , 12:21 PM

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For anyone else who, like me, can't immediately see the maximum hero can raise given short stack...

Hero's maximum raise amount (H) is the maximum that still allows shorty (stack = S) to shove and reopen the action. If last bet before hero is L then...

H = (S - L)/2

H = (37 - 7)/2 = 30/2 = 15

So hero matches the last bet of 7 and raises 15 on top for a total bet of 22. When shorty shoves he matches hero's bet of 22 and his last 15 is the minimum allowable raise.

If you want to go straight to the total you need to bet it's given by:

Total bet = ((S - L)/2) + L

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11-17-2018 , 04:12 PM

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He had 10 10 and we lose

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11-17-2018 , 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard32

No need to bet huge I pretty much have the board locked down.

Bc it’s gomna get in no matter what.

I thought he could have worsenaces flush draws sets two pair

i think its fine put acejack and bad aces in a bad spot.

i think most villions wouldn't make it 165 with a-q, they would just call and decide on turn. but some villions would be willing to stack off with a-q here.

its kind of a bad spot, id probably pay him off unless i really new his game well.

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