$1/$3 blinds, 9-handed.

Hero (UTG) - Mid 20s WG. Solid image. Biggest stack on the table. $1000.

OMC (SB) - Standard old man coffee. Limps a lot preflop. Plays fairly straightforward except for some odd things like limp-calling AK preflop. $500.

Shorty (BB) - Some idiot with a $20 stack that refuses to leave until he's lost every last dollar he has.

Gambler (MP) - Very loose, capable of bluffing and floating, but generally quite passive preflop. $120.

Indian Guy (CO) - Loose-passive fish. $300.

Hero opens $12 with TT
Gambler calls $12
Indian Guy calls $12
OMC calls $12
Shorty jams $20 (not allowed to reraise here)
We all call the $20

Flop (4 active players, $90, locked pot) is T42 with two hearts

OMC checks
Hero bets $40
Indian Guy folds
Gambler jams $100 (we are allowed to reraise here)
OMC calls $100
Hero ??? (We are $480 effective with the OMC here)

Do we call or raise?

If we call then there will be $385 in the pot with $380 behind. The main pot will be locked with $90 in it and the first side pot will be locked with $295 in it.

If we jam then it will be an additional $380 for the OMC to call. Do you think he always stacks off TP+ and FDs against a jam?

Could be results oriented but I'd strongly consider raising to 10-11 pre specifically so we have action reopened.

As played I'd put a small reraise in here exploitatively because OMC usually has a hand he plans to continue with, but stack size is awkward and calling to shove turn may actually make him fold. So something like $200 may be in order.

Why on earth would you want to let OMC see a free turn card?

raise. Very likely that OMC has an overpair. that, or set over set.

our goal here in to get all the money in on the flop or turn.

him overcalling can be a set, 2 pairs or combo flush draw, which all i think will not be able to fold to a raise but will he call another big raise here?

ill probably tank, pretend i have a hard decision and just shove.

$250, jam all turns.

Charge draws big time. If OMC description is correct then he either has a nut draw or a set. Gotta raise here.

This might be the easiest shove I have ever seen on this forum. NOT shoving would be absolutely criminal.

I guess preflop can be seen as a juicer to setmine (cuz that's mostly what we are doing if we're going to go to the flop eleventeen ways)?

I just PSB the flop. Draws ain't folding, and if someone is unfortunate enough to have a hand let's get in some real money before a scare card comes. Kinda doubt too many weak hands (underpairs) are going to stick around when the preflop raiser bets into a protected pot so we can basically ignore those hands.

I think I just jam now. OMC likely has a set or a draw although it's possible he has a weakish overpair like QQ/JJ. Doubt he's going to fold a set, so let's do this before a scare card convinces him otherwise. Is he going to be able to fold a draw in a pot this huge having already put in a $100? He might be able to fold JJ. I just think we have to raise and yet I can't figure out any other raise size than a shove with this pot size / stack size.

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If OMC has a lower set, money is going in regardless. So whether we raise to say $250 or jam doesn't matter.

If OMC has a draw, however, typical OMC isn't calling a jam for ~$400 more. I want him to call with incorrect odds, so shoving isn't necessarily best here.

Does he always get it in if the flush rolls off on the turn? If not, better to get it in now.

If we make it $250, that'll leave us $230 behind which we'll never be able to fold even if a flush draw comes in, which means we'd be giving him slightly over 5:1 to make the call (if I've done my math right), which ain't horrendous although admittedly not profitable since we'll have resuckout outs.

I guess we lose QQ/JJ more to a shove than $250 although maybe it doesn't make a difference?

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Raise or shove seems trivial. Shove seems better to me, fwiw

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OMC should still have more combos of flush draws/overpairs/two pair than he does lower sets (only 6 combos of those exist). So I want to maximize against the majority of his range, and typical OMC just ain't calling off a jam for more than 150 more bbs with a naked draw or overpair.

OP didn't tell us whether the T on board is a heart or if we held the Th. If ThXh is available, then V has wayyyyyyyyyy more combos of hands besides sets.

Also, even against sets, I'm not going to make a less +EV play just because he miiiiight find a fold for the last $230 the 1 time out of 5 the turn is a heart.

I'm really not seeing the rationale for jamming here.

Thank you everyone for your responses.

Results:

Not totally. OMC player archetypes is excessively nitty by definition.

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I'd min-raise. I sounds stupid but possibly best route to getting OMC fully committed.

OMC would stack off with TP but not the NFD+2 overs? Unlikely, you played it fine (although personally I would have raised to $250 or so just to make it difficult for him to fold). Calling is out of the question unless you like letting people hit their hand for the price they set.

I'm not saying I called it, but.....

I called it.

And I won't say that you probably didn't lose any profit by shoving, but you probably didn't.

If you think V is folding two overs + NFD for $150 more (instead of $400 more like we did for no good reason), then I don't know what to tell you.

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You want to raise to the maximum amount that still allows you to repop it pre if the shortie jams.

As played, I think raise is correct. I slightly prefer a small raise rather than a jam, but I don't think a jam is terrible.

If this is what you think, then I don't know what to tell you either.

This. The ev of shoving and him folding vs raising small and letting him draw is almost neutral. It looks like technically with his stacksize that raising to 250 would be a bit better here, but give him much more and now RIO comes into play when a heart comes. I think I like a shove here better though. Unless you showed him your cards that was a terrible fold by him. NFD + overs and Im almost never folding flop.

I'd just jam with these stacksizes. If OMC really wants to fold AKhh, then let him fold his equity and be even happier when you hold QQ the next time in this spot? I really don't want to give any flushdraws the chance to come along for a small price by raising to 250 as long as I know I'm stacking off anyway when the turn is another heart.