1/3.. just curious if I played this hand well

V is an old guy in MP whom I have no history with but just 5-10 mins ago, I saw him call a $200 shove in MP+1 after I raised to $17 over 2 EP limpers and the guy in MP went all-in for $200. V has 99 and MP had 78 (looks like I was missing something until I got here)...

$400 effective stacks

Hero limps 44 in EP, 2 other limpers, V in MP raises to $15, me and 2 other limpers call, 4-way to the flop

Flop ($60): 432ccc
Hero bets $45, fold, fold, V calls

Turn ($150): 3s
Hero bets $60, V calls

River ($270): Qc
Hero ??? (has ~$270 behind, V covers)

Also, how would you guys play each street differently? I donked 3/4th on flop because I don't like the obvious c/r to drive overpairs out of the hand. OTT, I bet super small to keep V in with his overpairs/Acx hands.

This all looks great.

I might bet turn a bit larger to make for an easier river shove and get V feeling he is more committed to the hand. V sounds like a drooler and I don't think a hand that calls 60 isn't calling 80 or 90.

Shove it in and get max value from his range, all the flushes get here AcAx KcKx and all of his AcYx and slowplayed flopped flushes

Id say $100 - $110 OTT just because the board is sopping wet (and the pots $150)

also, sets us up for a nice river shove. ($230- $220)

If turn were $80 or $90 the rest of the hand plays itself.

I bet $100 on this river, call a river shove.

$100 should get a cryong call from his Kc. His Ac might jam here.

I doubt his Kc is staying in on that board, just saying.

I think its certainly possible. How many times have you heard someone say "there's only one card that beats me!"

Further more OP stated he called a 200 jam per with 78 I.e. he over values hands tremendously

^I think V was the one with 99 in that hand, if I read the OP correctly.

Yeah, as everyone has said, turn could be a bit larger to induce more calls otr, other than that, looks good. As played, pretty much have to jam river and get max value from Ac. There's not really anything else in his range we're getting much value from, except the occasional Kc. (There's less of that in his range than Ac.) We miss a ton of value when we lead smaller and he just flats w/ Ac. I actually don't hate a c/r here either, since he'd pretty much always bet with either Ac or Kc when we check.

In any case , we can agree hamming or calling a jam with 78 or 99 tells us a lot about this player and its pretty much the same message

$60 is ok as it probably keeps his range the widest. I'd say if you bet $100 he might fold out the Ac and maybe even 77 - TT. Live poker players are strange

River is ether a ship or a check/ship.

I might actually like a check / ship because he's gonna fold every time he doesn't have the Ac or Kc and most likely bet every time he does and he may even try to bluff the river.

As played, shove for max value. If he's calling a half pot size bet he's going to call off his entire stack. I don't think he's raising us here with any hand. History shows that he likes to call down light, so he's either calling whatever we bet or just shutting it down completely; might as well get max value from the chunk of his range that calls.

Bet more on the turn to set up an easier shove OTR. Once he calls down a 3/4 PSB OTF I think he is telling us that he wants to continue with the hand and is willing to get it in. 100-120 to break the "more than $100 bet" seal and get him more comfortable with calling off 150+ OTR.

Pre flop looks good, and I like the donk lead. Bet sizing on flop is great. Lots of hands will come along on this flop. On the turn I would bet $110. The turn card does not look like a card that improves your hand. Based on your description of V I think he calls the larger turn bet with over pair or flush draw. As others have mentioned this bet sets up an easier river jam. If V is on an over pair this may be your last street of value if a club hits river and he has no club.

[QUOTE=ChicagoLex;45533090]As played, shove for max value. If he's calling a half pot size bet he's going to call off his entire stack. I don't think he's raising us here with any hand. History shows that he likes to call down light, so he's either calling whatever we bet or just shutting it down completely; might as well get max value from the chunk of his range that calls.


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Stopped reading here.

This is pretty much the answer.

Why so big on a nutted turn? Big pairs/Acx might just fold.

If he is calling $60, most likely he is calling more. Though, I would probably make it less than $110 and more like $90-95 so stacks are a bit less awkward on the river.

Sure, they might fold sometimes. But they'll usually call. You seem to be thinking about betsizing without really planning for future streets or considering your overall EV. You shouldn't size the turn bet so villain never folds those hands; you should size it to make the most money on the turn and river against his entire range. If that means he folds KK-JJ or the Ac sometimes, so be it.

yeah, im with the bigger turn for easy river shove

2 reasons: 1) Description of v indicates he will call turn bet. If he called the 99 hand I believe he will call with any over pair or big flush draws. Building the pot on the turn makes river value so much easier. Building pots earlier has an exponential return on later streets. That is why I like your donk lead so that he can't check back his flush draws on the flop. 2) Any club on the river could kill our action against over pairs that do not have a club. Even though we are leading the turn somewhat strong I still think our hand is somewhat underreped to a poor player who can not imagine us leading out with a set on the flop. Our turn bet at $110 would be a little over 70% of pot and I think he would find this enticing with all flush draws which is a big portion of his range. He probably lets go of his over cards that do not have a club but our chance of getting value from those is very limited on the turn.

I'm also limp/calling preflop.

I also donk the flop (although I probably just PSB it since no one ever folds a draw on the flop). We probably have the best hand and if we don't then we still have a nice draw. When raiser calls I'm guessing he has more overpairs (perhaps with flush draw) then he does made flushes, so I'm looking to stack off now even UI.

I bet more on the turn. If he has a big overpair, he's not necessarily folding because we could easily be doing this with a smaller overpair. If he has a big overpair + flush draw, he's never folding. So let's get some decent money in there now (especially since another club will kill our action), plus set things up for an easier river shove. I'd probably bet $100, which will create a $350 pot with $240 left (an easier river shove).

I shove the river. If he has a big club, he's never folding, so shove. If he has a big pair that ain't a flush, he's always checking behind, but he *might* consider calling.

ETA: Late to the party; basically, what everyone else said.

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