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07-26-2013 , 11:03 AM
There are a fair amount of "it depends" here regarding the villain and just how good he is. Viewing you as tight and possibly being comfortable raising large amounts of cash as bluff, you must consider flatting preflop. Any flaming of that statement doesnt understand super deep play OOP vs very good creative players.

IF.....I knew you wouldnt stackoff for 400bb with AA KK QQ, then if I were villain you would literally lose each and every pot that you did not flop a set on. Thats just how powerful position is when you couple super deep stacks with it plus a fairly snug villain.


Oh yea, and i think the bluff is EXCELLENT IDEA AND SIZING, but also depends on how accurate your assessment of villains skill was. This type bluff is spew against everyone except the very controlled and skilled player.
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07-26-2013 , 11:06 AM
Really really hate ever flatting PF here
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07-26-2013 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Firstly why exactly are you doing everything "quickly"? Take your time and act.

1) Raise way more pf, raising to 18 here is a leak, and you should go to 25 to 30

2) A "big stack" of 25's isn't 150 bucks, but why are you betting this turn versus this player type? You should be expecting to get raised a significant % of the time here.

3) The river chr is fine/pretty sick with the blocker but again, take your time. All this "quickly" **** is putting me on tilt.

Somebody playing 5/T+ is likely vbetting all 2 pair/straights/sets/bad flushes.

If he folds, show the non Ah 100% of the time
Good response here.

I am not sure I agree with you questioning sizing pre 3x is plenty when it is effectively blind vs blind.

I think that turn may be a c/c with the intention of c/c pretty much any river. I do think that aggro types will raise this turn quite a lot which puts me in a difficult spot oop.

He is also definitely value betting 2pairs here, posters who disagree with this obv aren't getting enough value from their strong holdings!!
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07-26-2013 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
If I'm playing OOP and I'm a 1/3 player playing versus somebody who plays 5/T+ when like one of the worst cards in the deck hits I check/call the turn. Generally speaking versus anybody LAG/difficult I just pot control and ch/call the turn here since I don't like bet/doing anything.
This.

Also I havent seen this mentioned yet but it is likely that the Villain expects a player at 1/3 to shove the nut flush on the river and not make it $700. Its kind of like that "wow I have the nuts, let him bet and now I shove".

A side point to this, we check pretty quickly, surely with the NF we would consider betting given that if our opponent has a two pair type hand, we can expect him to check back a decent amount and therefore would consider leading to put the Villain in a spot where he might decide to bluff catch his two pair.

Another thing that bothers me some is that it is a guy that you have seen play 5/10 and 10/25. Those players see check raises on the river way more frequently than the 1/3 crowd and they also see bets of $700 each and every day. I think that the normal 1/3 Villain would see that he doesnt have the nut flush and therefore be scared of the nuts but I think that we may have a hard time getting a higher stakes player to fold the Q or K high flush here. Also if he holds the Qh or the Kh, it cuts down dramatically the number of xhxh combos that we would conceivably open pre.
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07-26-2013 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Habeeb
Good response here.

I am not sure I agree with you questioning sizing pre 3x is plenty when it is effectively blind vs blind.

I think that turn may be a c/c with the intention of c/c pretty much any river. I do think that aggro types will raise this turn quite a lot which puts me in a difficult spot oop.

He is also definitely value betting 2pairs here, posters who disagree with this obv aren't getting enough value from their strong holdings!!
You are wrong PF for a few reasons

1) He is sticky and will call wide here regardless of size because you are so deep so make him stick more money in bad

2) whenever you are in this spot or raising in LP vs a button straddle you should raise more PF because you will be OOP in the hand. If you were on the BTN you could get away with 3x but you are still throwing a lot of money away.

Raising 3x here is like taking 10 bucks out of your pocket and lighting it on fire at the table.
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07-26-2013 , 12:53 PM
I would raise here as well pre. I thought hero 3 bet from blinds. He should not IMO.
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07-26-2013 , 02:28 PM
Saw the title, thought it would be a horrid hand. Saw you had aces and was even surer it would be a train wreck. I was wrong.

Obv bluffing in spots where competent players never expect you to be bluffing is good. Your line reps the nuts well.

NH
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07-26-2013 , 04:44 PM
Just because villain plays 5-10 and 10-25 can we "safely assume" that he will be value betting two pairs, sets and straights on this board? Given the fact that the two players in this hand have had no HU history before, is this a correct assumption?
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07-26-2013 , 05:37 PM
I think this hand is played very well.

Preflop is fine imo doesnt need to be that much bigger. I def wouldnt go over 22-25. I would of raised 20 most likely, but 18-25 is perfectly fine.

Flop is fine.

Turn bet is good imo, not everyone is going to play back at you and you can just go bet bet bet and get value out of other over pairs, TPTK, or pair + draw hands, or any thing really that doesnt play back at you.

Calling the turn raise is fine, I think 3 betting would be a mistake.

The river is also played well, checking all rivers and calling blanks depending on bet sizing and reads, folding scary cards, and raising non-board pairing hearts.

NH, well played.
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07-27-2013 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
I would raise here as well pre. I thought hero 3 bet from blinds. He should not IMO.
Hi, I did raise pre, see the OP
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07-27-2013 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
Saw the title, thought it would be a horrid hand. Saw you had aces and was even surer it would be a train wreck. I was wrong.

Obv bluffing in spots where competent players never expect you to be bluffing is good. Your line reps the nuts well.

NH
Thanks for this!
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07-27-2013 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chamaican66
I think this hand is played very well.

Preflop is fine imo doesnt need to be that much bigger. I def wouldnt go over 22-25. I would of raised 20 most likely, but 18-25 is perfectly fine.

Flop is fine.

Turn bet is good imo, not everyone is going to play back at you and you can just go bet bet bet and get value out of other over pairs, TPTK, or pair + draw hands, or any thing really that doesnt play back at you.

Calling the turn raise is fine, I think 3 betting would be a mistake.

The river is also played well, checking all rivers and calling blanks depending on bet sizing and reads, folding scary cards, and raising non-board pairing hearts.

NH, well played.
Thanks for this. Still unsure about the turn bet here. c/c turn and c/c most rivers might be better against aggro villain.
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