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1/3 4-Bet, Fold, or Call? 1/3 4-Bet, Fold, or Call?

04-13-2018 , 07:47 PM
In each spot V#1 is a semi-wide opener & rec'ish, & V2 is on thinking-reg spectrum. Not much history otherwise. Hero 30s MAWG playing tight. We're about $450 effective. Thanks for any/all feedback in the decision point(s) generally.

H#1 -- AKo

V#1 r $20, fold, MP c $20, V#2 3! $80, Hero (HJ) ???

H#2 -- AKo

V#1 r $8, V#2 3! $30, fold x 4, Hero (OTB) ???

H#3 -- A4s

Fold, V#1 r $20, fold, V#2 3! $60, fold x 2, Hero (SB) ???
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04-13-2018 , 08:59 PM
Call or shove I think they are both fine but prefer call

110

Fold
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04-13-2018 , 09:18 PM
Fold all 3. Maybe cold-4b hand 2. But other two are pretty strong 3bets.
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04-13-2018 , 09:28 PM
I think hand#1 is a fold. You still have players to act behind you. What if they shove?

No offense, but it cannot be a call.

Just my 2 cents.
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04-13-2018 , 10:12 PM
I am more comfortable 4betting regulars w/ AKo since they typically have a lighter 3bet compared to the average passive player.
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04-13-2018 , 11:21 PM
1-call
2-4-bet to about #90
3- fold
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04-14-2018 , 12:28 AM
I would fold the #1 and #3, 4-bet #2 all due to the opener's sizing. $8 is weak and the 3-bettor can be much lighter. $20 is often a tell of a strong hand and villain's squeeze in this case is likely a very tight value range.
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04-14-2018 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Phantomshark
1-call
2-4-bet to about #90
3- fold
I agree with all of these.
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04-14-2018 , 06:37 PM
How often is V2 3!ing?!?

Shove.
$120
Fold

If V2 is some kind of 3! monkey, then AK is the effective nuts. Play it accordingly.

Last edited by BackDoorFlush; 04-14-2018 at 06:45 PM.
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04-14-2018 , 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
How often is V2 3!ing?!?
This is the critical question, what range do you put him on? How do you think he reacts to 4bets?
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04-15-2018 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
This is the critical question, what range do you put him on? How do you think he reacts to 4bets?
Agreed. H#1/2, the 3! ranges look very strong (AQ/TT+) based on positions/sizing. We have some SDV against that range, but not great FE at a glance, unless V will fold their AK-AQ/QQ-TT (which is about 60-75% in theory).

H#3 V2 at least had 3! a couple times prior w/ no showdown & had been sort of going at it w/ V whose sizing was big generally, so thought maybe he was a bit wider, such as ATs+/QJs+/88+, but no showdowns/frequencies to really prove it.
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04-18-2018 , 04:36 PM
Thanks for all input.
Spoiler:

H#1 I 4! to $190, V2 tank calls, it goes xx on Kxx, xx on turn brick, worst card A hits river, goes x I shove he folds. Assume he had JJ-QQ.

H#2 I folded. V2 ended up having AK.

H#3 I folded. V2 had QsJs.
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04-18-2018 , 04:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Me Up
Thanks for all input.
Spoiler:

H#1 I 4! to $190, V2 tank calls, it goes xx on Kxx, xx on turn brick, worst card A hits river, goes x I shove he folds. Assume he had JJ-QQ.

H#2 I folded. V2 ended up having AK.

H#3 I folded. V2 had QsJs.
Spoiler:

H#1 Shove flop AP
H#2 Thats nit imo to fold in that spot, giving v2 is a thinking reg and not an old omc...
H#3 wp.
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04-18-2018 , 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Me Up
In each spot V#1 is a semi-wide opener & rec'ish, & V2 is on thinking-reg spectrum. Not much history otherwise. Hero 30s MAWG playing tight. We're about $450 effective. Thanks for any/all feedback in the decision point(s) generally.

H#1 -- AKo

V#1 r $20, fold, MP c $20, V#2 3! $80, Hero (HJ) ???

H#2 -- AKo

V#1 r $8, V#2 3! $30, fold x 4, Hero (OTB) ???

H#3 -- A4s

Fold, V#1 r $20, fold, V#2 3! $60, fold x 2, Hero (SB) ???
In general, flatting with others to act behind is terrible, so H1 is raise or fold, If V2, even if he's just trying to narrow down against V1 and gain position. is making a reraise difficult without getting most of your money in here or on the flop.

H2 has more possibility as you are on the button and V2's raise sizing can still fold if you 4B! (Depends on image, history, etc.), but it still looks like others are trying to isolate V1.

H3 is the most obvious fold. I just posted about AKo, but from OOP to a 3B!.

Overall, a majority of players don't 3B! light, which is where your 4B! succeeds in folding them; the rest of time you're gonna have to move onto your post-flop game.

Overall, unless your game is filled with underskilled and high-bankrolled players, I wouldn't get too overly reliant on AK for/against 3B! and 4B!s, especially OOP especially within just your PF game.

If you're confident in your post-flop game and feel that you can 'out-play' your opponents a majority of the time, even from OOP, then you can loosen up your play standards with the hand. But this kind of hubris is often expensive to maintain as I've found that with the games being tougher, players are less apt to make the mistakes they once made, i.e. check calling down with AQ and AJ when we boh flop an Ace.

Last edited by sam7595; 04-18-2018 at 08:35 PM.
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