1/3. Aria
300 effective stacks
V1 BB
V2 UTG+1
V2 raises to 12
Hero (sb) calls KcQh
V1 calls
Flop KdJhTh
Hero bets 15
V1 raise to 35
V2 calls
Hero calls
Turn 8h
Checks around
River 8c
Hero?

Reads on Vs and their likely reads on you?

Generally not calling an EP raise with KQo OOP.

AP, I c/eval river, calling a bet up to about 2/3 pot vs a Laggy V, snap folding to any bet from an OMC.

Need reads but as mentioned am usually folding KQo in the blinds to ep raise, if it was suited then calling isnt that bad.
Flop
I hate the donk bet, wont really achieve much and can see getting raised here a lot as pfr is going to in general have us crushed.
Turn
As we are oop have to check this and see what happens,donking is just lighting money on fire
River
if we didnt donk flop and we just called pfr bet and was checked on Turn I can see some point for betting but as it played out am just checking and hope we are good, i might call a bet but really depends on villian.

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Pretty easy fold for me preflop (calling a preflop EP raise OOP with this hand, yuck, imo) unless this guy is a massive whale (and even then it's meh).

I'm trying to think of hands of a typical EP raising range that we beat on this flop. There ain't too many, especially those that would call a bet (another reason preflop is so bad, imo). I probably check/evaluate.

Even though we're getting decent odds to call all this action, I think we have to fold the flop. We're rarely ahead, our IO suck on our 4-to-a-straight, and we could have a bunch of dirty outs / high RIO on some outs.

I probably check/fold the river. What are we ahead of that bets 3ways? What worse hands call a bet?

Gdon'tplaydominatedhandsOOPtoanEPraiseandovervalue handspostflop,imoG

Would you call this hand OTB? I'm curious I definitely struggle with not being able to fold hands like this pre.

V1 was a spewy lag mid-30s AA male. His raising/calling range was roughly JTo+
V2 Was late 20s Indian male, he had been walkabout since I sat down so no reads.


River:
Hero bets 15
V1 calls
V2 folds

V1 shows KJo

I’m pretty sure V2 had AJ or AT. Hard to say because I only saw him play maybe 3 hands all night.

Guy only plays 3 hands all night and we're calling his EP raise OOP with KQo?

Gyikes,imoG

KQo is just a very speculative hand, imo. It's worth playing in a limped pot in LP (like a lot of other speculative hands), and maybe even raised in LP against 0/1 limpers (although I'm even reconsidering that recently), but OOP or in a raised pot it's garbage as far as I'm concerned.

Gimo,otherswilldisagreeG

He played this hand, a couple others over the next 15-25 minutes then left. Remember he had just sat back down after being absent for a while.

Completely agree. At this table I felt like it was worth speculating.

I should not have called the raise OTF though. I don’t mind donk leading top pair with an up & down straight draw, but ymmv

Ok, if that's what "all night" means in this case. Still, the point remains (and the few respondents seem to agree so far) that KQo OOP to an EP raise is really meh.

GcluelessNLnoobG

And “meh” is always -ev

I’ll post more hands while I’m here. Thanks all

i hate are lead on the flop. this is a wet board leading into pot for 30 percent pot makes no sense whatever.

this is a pretty clear check giveup board for pocket 8s, but maybe he doesn't want to give up and is that kamikaze that he is going to c-bet this board into two people! we want to give him that chance.

also we want to raise big on this board, if we do lead (which i would never do) making it 15 is just rather pointless, we protect are hand from like under pairs who have very few outs anyway.

turn and river are pretty easy checks. as played you made kind of ph blocker bet that worked out ok, you got to showdown the losing hand for a cheap enough price. as another poster says river depends a lot on villian, tendency.

I generally play 3-bet-or-fold from the SB, unless I am sure the BB is passive and/or unlikely to squeeze.

With a decent hand, this is a reasonable spot for us to do the squeezing, but it depends on the opener's range. UTG+1 ought to be fairly tight. KQo isn't good enough, so I muck.

As played preflop, we've got top pair and an OESD -- a lot more than OP suggests in the thread title. This flop is really wet. I am not averse to leading out with a strong hand in a multiway pot, but we are likely to get a lot of action if we do. I am thinking check/call here.

As played on the flop and turn, check here and evaluate.

Fold pre check flop

Poker is alive and well!!! I usually play PLO at Aria, but it's nice to know what I have to look forward to while I wait for seat.

I wouldn't even call it a speculative hand. A speculative hand would be like 64 sooted. KQo is a crappy RIO hand. Your preflop call in this spot is really bad.

You may not mind it but your lead in this particular spot was very bad.

I don't fold many buttons but KQo is one of the worst hands you can have vs a tight early position raiser.

QFT. You are dominated here so very often.

I'll open KQo OTB and occasionally 3-bet with it (not against described V), but if I'm calling with it, there better have been like 14 other callers between me and the opener to give me amazing odds, and I'm never getting excited about TPGK.

Seeing alot of people advocate for folding pre. What range of hands are you calling with vs an EP raise in the blinds? KQo falls into the top 10% of hands so i thought would be a call but it looks like im wrong. So what would be the bottom of your calling range? thanks.

If ep raise it really depends on how many callers come along, if there are a few i will call with pockets pairs,suited aces,most suited broadways but even then I might fold a few of the weaker ones,and some suited connectors but again is villain dependent.
If everyone has folded to me then I would probably be folding a lot more just for the fact there is less chips up for grabs but overall it really depends on the PFR ranges and habits.
KQo isnt a hand i am keen to play oop with

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KQo isn't really a speculative hand. Most of the time it's just going to make a decent top pair that can easily be dominated. From SB, I would prefer to either muck this or 3-bet w/ reads.

From the blinds, I play a strategy as follows:
- 3-bet hands like AQ/AK/KQ unless the opener has a strong range; then fold
- call with speculative hands like Axs, good suited connectors, or pocket pairs *if* I'm getting good IO (either several callers, or deep stacks).
- fold almost everything else

In most situations, I'd honestly rather call with T9s from the SB than KQo. In this particular situation (1 raise, no callers) I would be playing a purely 3-bet or fold. There's no reason to play KQo here.

The fallacy of x% of hands is that that's against a random hand and has to do with hot-and-cold equity, not post-flop playability anyway. Against an EP opener, KQo is, as others have said, an RIO hand. I'd far rather have 55, even though it's not technically even in the top 20% of hands.

If you don't know whether you should call with KQo from the blinds then you'd probably be better off if you never called with any hands from the blinds. Folding from the blinds in live low stakes is rarely going to be a major mistake and is often very correct. The players that announce that they "have to call now" from the blinds after other players called are generally the fish making a -EV call.

Unless I have a solid read that the BB is passive and seldom if ever squeezes, my calling range in the SB is going to be the empty set.

Against an opener and a crowd of 1-3 flat-calling clowns, I think my squeezing range is going to be something like {TT+, AQs+, KQs, AKo}.

With a passive flat-caller in the BB, I will have a flatting range, and it is going to include lots of pairs, suited connectors, and suited aces (probably all of them except for A6s, A7s, and A8s). Maybe even some suited gappers like KJs, QTs, J9s, and T8s.

Notice that I am using the word "suited" here a lot.