New guy (known fish) sits down with 100 and straddles first hand

2 passive fishes (100, 300) call, another loose passive V in CO (500) fish raises to 15, I make a loose call OTB (600) with KTss as I cover him, straddler and both limpers call

5-way to the flop

Flop (75): Q63hss
Straddler donks 15, 1 limper calls, V raises to 45, Hero calls, straddler shoves for 85 total, Limper and V both call

Turn (415): Jh
Limper checks, V bets 50, Hero calls, Limper calls

River (565): 3h
Limper checks, V bets 50, Hero and Limper fold

V shows KQo to win the side and straddler shows QJo to scoop the main.

Is there anything I could do differently besides folding IP to 3 fishes preflop?

Don't think the preflop call is particularly loose, the only danger would be getting squeezed and everyone is passive so...

After that hand plays itself. The flop is kind of gross because you don't have a nut draw and you're lucky the PFR didn't blast you off the hand over the top of the straddler's reraise. Price is too good to fold though.

Exactly. I'm kind of priced in on every street, so I don't know how I could save the 50 BBs I donated into this pot.

Can a case be made for re-raising flop over the tiny PFR's raise?

God no. Youd be liable to get blasted off your hand.

Sometimes you're going to lose about 40BB chasing a draw.

Is a funny spot, don't mind the call preflop
I think folding is a little too nitty and 3betting a little too loose.
Flop is a interesting spot with a donk ,1cold call then a raise I think folding here isn't the worst thing in the world.
One of the reason for folding is that if short stack shoves ( which happens) that it will reopen the betting.
Your read on V his passive and when in hear that I start to get worried.
The main I am worried about a that we are not drawing too the nuts and could be drawing thin.
After the shove from short stack and 2 calls you are closing the action so easy call.
Turn we pickup some equity and with the lol bet sizing is very easy call
River we brick out and fold.

After thinking about the hand I guess there is only 2 main point in the hand preflop and flop.
I think calling is overall better preflop but against a straddler and 2 calls I can see some merit to 3 betting but your reads and postflop play would have too be pretty solid.
Flop I would kind of lean towards folding as your hand kind of turns face up that is it looks like a draw, yeah maybe you could have a set here I really doubt villain is think about it.
If you hit your flush is villain the type too pay it off is something else too think about as well
Turn and river are trival

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Preflop is a fold. Technically, you are deep enough to call IP with K10 suited, but:

1) PFR is passive, and you are crushed by his raising range,
2) Your position matters little six way with two very short stacks, and
3) Fishes are short enough that they won't be able to make huge mistakes.

Fold. Wait for a better spot.

Fishy straddler, two fishy limpers, loose passive clown makes a tiny 2.5x raise from CO and you want to fold suited face cards in the gin playing position? I could see if pfr adjusted to straddle and made it $30-40 or something, but the price, position, and passive field makes this an auto call.

Gin position doesn't mean much here. Hero is going to have to win this with his cards. Fish don't have much to pay him so suitedness isn't that awesome either.

When passive players raise, it is a good idea to pay attention. Hero is really just targeting the CO who has a very good chance of dominating him. (I'd rather have 78 suited in this situation.) You can pay the $15 and hope to flop a flush or a flush draw. CO's stack is deep enough I guess. Not my conception of winning poker though.

I think the hand was played as well as could be expected given the circumstances. However, it's important to be cognizant of the fact that when you are the first caller after a tight PFR, you are going to have a range disadvantage as well as worst relative position which leads to these "weird" hands.

Fishy CO put in 3% of his stack preflop and we cover; I'd say we are plenty deep enough to play suited paint otb. The remaining fish are all coming along for the ride with an array of ridiculous, dominated holdings. Calling preflop is +EV and folding is 0EV, regardless of what happened in this particular hand.

Yeah folding just seems way too nitty, just because we want to play this hand it doesn't mean we are commit to play for stacks here.
There is nothing wrong with calling and taking a flop

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Why playing draws anyway?
Draws only hit at the maximum 33% with one card to come if you got 15 outs but with 9 clean outs you hit it 20%. Why even get involved in something like that? Just stay back and relax and only play the rest. Get involved in draw only by accident and for a very cheap price. Focus instead on techniques of how to extract max value when you got villain cornered.

Think about draws like this: You got yourself voluntary involved in a street fight and instead during the heat of the battle on focusing how to blow opponent off his misery, you are desperately now looking around for a partner for help or a longer steel rod pipe.

C'mon .., man..., Don't get involved in street fights in the first place unless you got what you need to win. Don't run around the ring looking for help while villain has his gun pointed at you.

Think about draws like this. You are Clubber Lang in Rocky III. You come out of the gate strong and harass your opponent (aka x/raising) while he is in distress over the death of "Mick." You parlay Rocky's tears into fold equity and capitalize on Rocky being a pussy. That way you don't need to make "the flush" to humiliate Ivan Drago. Every time Rocky cries about Apollo Creed dying to the sweet sweet jams of James Brown you gain x^(1.015) FE which is the gist of longterm winning poker.

I fold preflop. Knowing that we're going to probably go eleventeen ways, I really try to draw to nuttish hands here; I wouldn't have hated as much this deep with Axs, but we can get in so much trouble with second nut hands. Also, our relative position sucks (first to act after the raiser). It's a nitty fold, but I'm more convinced it's correct the more I play. But I could be wrong. The fishier the table, the more the call isn't as bad, but even still it's not great.

Here's why our position sucks on the flop, as we're getting decent odds to call the lol raise, but we also don't know if the donker/caller are going to go nuts. And with 3 people already being interested in the hand, we also don't know if the nut draw is out there (where we are dead in the water). And at the very least our outs are probably reduced. It's a real gamble to call this, although I can understand why we do.

In my room the straddle shove would have reopened the betting (cuz the raise is for more than half). Although I'd probably still just call here, happy I'm getting odds.

I'm just taking my odds to the lol turn bet and calling. I don't know if V is just wack on his betting or what, but the pot is protected and I'm just going to try to hit my hand. I'm not loving flush draw ain't to the nuts with the other guy still coming along.

River is obvious.

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