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1/3 2 pair vs overbet otr bb vs btn 1/3 2 pair vs overbet otr bb vs btn

06-08-2019 , 08:41 AM
Villain is in mid 30s. Sitting at the table for 30 minutes and pretty active so far.
1 interesting hand i saw him play was bvb. He was sb and bet, check, bet 2x pot on A658Kr and showed A4o after bb folded.

OTTH:

Villain (~1,5k) raises otb 10€, sb folds, hero (~1k) call in bb with J7
Flop (21€) QJ3
Villain cbet 10€, hero calls.
Turn (41€) QJ37
check check
River (41€) QJ372
hero checks, villain bets 57€, hero?

Spoiler:
I thought about leading river but wanted to give him a chance to bluff or valuebet a worse hand. Plan was to x/r his river bet.
Didnt expect an overbet...is there a point in raising otr? I dont see worse hands calling and the way he played the hand he never has a better hand than ours here.
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06-08-2019 , 08:49 AM
Fold pre, LDO.

AP, bet turn to make enough to make up for the PF mistake.

AP, snap call river, given we know that he can do this with at least as low as TPNK. I would not raise unless I've seen him call raises with crap, as most Vs will only call with better, so there is little chance of extra value and lots of value cutting.
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06-08-2019 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Fold pre, LDO.

AP, bet turn to make enough to make up for the PF mistake.

AP, snap call river, given we know that he can do this with at least as low as TPNK. I would not raise unless I've seen him call raises with crap, as most Vs will only call with better, so there is little chance of extra value and lots of value cutting.
Pre is a super standard call and it is completely irrelevant to the turn decision. If you choose your turn bet sizing to "make up for pre-flop" you are actually just reducing the EV of the pre-flop call.
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06-08-2019 , 09:11 AM
A suited 3-gapper OOP is a super-standard call in a live game? wat? We are not playing GTO bots here. Make the exploitative fold, AINEC.

The turn comment was a joke.
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06-08-2019 , 09:14 AM
Yeah you are super deep oop this is bad pre.

Deep stacked oop big bet poker SUCKS. Get into PLO and you'll get a great sense of this.
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06-08-2019 , 10:20 AM
Preflop is bad. Rake effects are so strong in LLSNL in situations like this, I'd even fold J8s.

River is confusing to me. With his line & sizing, it's sort of a situation where I feel we are rarely beat, but similarly unlikely to get action from worse if we raise. So I guess we call
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06-08-2019 , 10:23 AM
Fold pre.

AP lead turn for 30 and river for 70.

No idea why you're checking that turn?
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06-09-2019 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AKAWhatALyfe
Fold pre.

AP lead turn for 30 and river for 70.

No idea why you're checking that turn?
Why would i lead ott?
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06-09-2019 , 06:28 PM
We just called and won vs AJo
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06-09-2019 , 06:48 PM
Um what? Snap call pre. If he 5xed /$15 raise sure letting go is fine. I am never ever folding J8s vs an active reg for 3bb BB vs BTN, even vs Tom Dwan or OTBRedBaron. His range OTB is so wide that J8s is definitely profitable. Maybe if he opened CO you could justify a fold but this is the most std call in the world as long as you don't suck postflop.

River snap call faster than lightning.

River I'd just lead myself for at least $30.

Turn you could consider leading since it's good for your range, he will check back way too many hands, and he bet so small otf. Good way to punish his range and extract max value from Qx, Jx, overpairs, club draws, straight draws, etc. If you check full range here he can just realize so much equity for free.

Last edited by Minatorr; 06-09-2019 at 06:53 PM.
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06-10-2019 , 11:50 AM
Even though it is for lol percentages of our stack, I highly doubt playing this guy OOP with this hand is going to be profitable, no?

I'm fine with our postflop line and it looks like we've setup a super trivial bluffcatch on the river where we allow him to overvalue / overbet one pear (like he did previously) or even bluff busted draws. I wouldn't raise because I doubt too many worse hands call in spite of the flush draw busting. Think we played our hand very well postflop against our opponents tendencies, imo.

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