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06-29-2014 , 04:06 PM
CO views hero as a nitty reg but we have not played much together. $320 stack

CO is a live reg, mostly plays omaha where he gambles like crazy. Have not played much NL with him, have seen him do stuff like call preflop raises with J4s out of the small blind. Does not seem to like to fold but he is not a total fish. Don't think he is capable of value betting 2 pair that large on that river.
Does anyone see merit in calling the river because I can't see him having many 8s in his range?


Hero has 52 in the BB. 4 limpers. $600 stack

Flop ($15)
526

Hero checks, UTG bets $10, 2 callers, CO calls, Hero raises to $50, everyone folds CO calls.

Turn is 9 Pot ($130)
Hero bets $65, CO calls

River is 7 ($260)
Hero checks ($200 left), CO goes all in for $300
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06-29-2014 , 05:15 PM
Ick.

Not liking 2 small pair facing that river bet. Hard to know what his range would be on that runout, especially if he is loose.

Don't see any reason to call here.
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06-29-2014 , 07:13 PM
I would prefer a lead for $15 OTF, but you're C/R worked so fine. That said, when you C/R people are gonna instantly put you on a huge draw (although there isn't one on this board), 2 pair, a set, or straight. So your move kinda turns your hand face up. This is why I just lead out full pot.
OTT your sizing is very small because 1.) it's not that hard for someone to counterfeit you for a better 2 pair 2.) you lay 3-1 odds for the V to call on a FD, which isn't correct pot odds but when you include implied odds it's too close for comfort 3.) This V is loose!!! So he'll likely call a bigger bet with lots of hands and draws worse than yours.
OTR I probably call since we showed weakness and this guy is likely trying to run over the table. Plus, his jam sizing is a little polarizing since it doesn't look like a value bet against your weak looking river check. I don't like it, but call.
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06-29-2014 , 07:23 PM
bet river
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06-29-2014 , 11:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
bet river
How much are you betting?
what worse hand will call?
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06-30-2014 , 09:32 AM
Ew lol yah ugly spot. I hate playing for stacks in Limped pots.
I would maybe fold. But V a big gambler. As played, I can see a hero call and not be too put off if we are wrong. Tough, I could see his line being done with 78 thought definitely. But I don't see what we are beating and could be counterfeit . Unless I picking up on some type of physical tell from his action/comfort level. That's prolly what my determining factor would have to come down too IMHO
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06-30-2014 , 09:58 AM
I think this is a hand I play passively unless improved. I don't like bloating limped pots without a pretty nutty hand. Bottom 2 on that flop is far from nutty. You may miss out on value, but if you get to showdown good, it can tend to dissuade perceptive villains from barreling you in later hands.
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06-30-2014 , 12:26 PM
I probably just donk the flop. Our hand is probably best, let's just bet/bet/bet until action/cards tell us otherwise. As played (i.e. checking the flop), I actually think I just call and re-evaluate on the turn. A bet and 3 calls (!??!) is quite a lot of action for this pretty dry board, and we just have bottom two pair on a possible straight board (not too mention sets). "Don't go broke in a limped pot" is really starting to apply to this hand.

The OESD just got there on the turn. I really don't like our spot right now. We have bottom two pair; this really isn't a great hand. I might check and hope it checks thru so I don't have to play for stacks on the river. I probably call a turn bet and would plan on check/folding the river as I don't see what draws possibly busted. ETA: Actually, I think a pretty good argument could be made for check/folding the turn as we beat virtually nothing that would be betting for value; we basically have a bluffcatcher here, but what did he overcall on the flop with to be bluffing with?

I would just fold the river even though the only hand that we'd think would be betting is 87 that got there on the turn.

Overall, I think we overplayed this hand.

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06-30-2014 , 12:41 PM
I prefer leading this flop...don't like check raising this flop at all considering how much action we've already seen. Prefer to keep the pot in these type of hands small...

As played, you're not deep enough to bet/fold river....fold it though. Only thing we really beat here that villain would bet on river is air which is a far cry considering stack sizes and you're check/raise on the flop.
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06-30-2014 , 06:36 PM
I should have mentioned it was a very loose late night game. If I bet $10-$15 on the flop it would still be a bloated pot on the turn 5 way (i.e all the people who called $10 but folded to the $50)
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