Agreed 100%.

Whatever you say, bro. I thought it was a good discussion til this comment. Against you, I'm shoving JJ here since you're obviously calling w worse. ;-)

If you bet, you might aswell shove, a small bet looks way stronger then a shove (since the only way he calls with worse is if he bluffcatches).

If he is good I am shoving but it depends on your image, don't think he has QQ very often here. I think he has A9o/TT a lot. He could have slowplayed a flopped monster (set) if he thinks you bet air often, but unless he has a read you 3 barrels air(meaning you add sets in his range), he has literally 4 hands in his range. A9o/TT/JJ/QQ. QQ a lot less often then other.

I personally shove and hope he makes a crying call but if he calls it's because he is bluffcatching and believes you can 3barrels air since your perceived range is very polarized. Shoving with JJ (a depolarized approach) will really crush him if he likes making marginal call.

Edit: rereading my post there is amajor flaw in my thinking: the only way he calls with worse is if he believes you 3barrels air. IF he believe you 3 barrel air, he has QQ A LOT and you have to add flopped sets in his range, making the river a check, 100% of the time, everytime

Checking back is missing value from 88, 98, 99,T9, J9s-A9s, TT. I don't see QQ-AA as a significant part of this guy's range. If he checks a hand that beats us here good for him.

To me his call on the turn says, "I think you're FOS tonight, not folding"

99 is a boat, so of course he's calling with that. So, you're saying you'd check-call on the river with the rest of those hands though? If not, what are you check-calling the river with?

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I don't really agree with the thinking that if he'll call any bet he'll call a shove. Maybe online this is true, but I feel like in this spot in a live game its pretty tough for these players to call a huge 3rd street bet (all in)with a bluff catcher like 9x, whereas if we bet $140 again, instead of it looking really strong to him, he'll just see a good price and make a bad call.

He could've easily been praying for a check behind on river and once he sees a tiny bet just makes a f-it call.

Villain is considered decent and a 140 bet is such an obvious thin value bet from JJ+.

If he calls it's because he puts us on AK, so might aswell play like AK

The hardest thing for a live player to do is lay down a hand on the river after investing so much money on previous streets. That is the most important concept in this spot.

Villain is competent and has seen us raise with a couple questions hands and he's not 3-betting pre with QQ?

Sorry. I shouldn't have said that. I don't call tho I bet !

Definitely not checking. I'm undecided if we should shove or bet like $100. I think it would take a pretty sick call for villain to call off 170bbs with anything less than TT against someone he perceives to be a lockbox, and I'm not so sure the way you played the other hands will make him think you're capable of running a $500 bluff (though I'm glad to see you're mixing it up; those other hands would probably be an interesting analysis as well ).

Then again, I could see this type of player saying, "There's no way that 5 helped you," and put you on busted overs when we shove 100bbs on the river, and maybe everything else you've done this session has gotten him curious. I think I'm talking myself into a shove, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Just make sure you bet some amount.

BTW, I'm not going to buy too much into the "he only has to call 33% as much for a shove to be as good as $100," since it is still possible that we're beat, so we do actually need it to be pretty plausible for villain to call with worse for the bet to be good.

Lol sorry, I had J5hh

Hand 2: Second orbit, Hero raises to $30 in LP over 3 limpers, same recfish in blinds calls, one limper calls. Flop comes AT9hh, Hero bets $60, recfish folds, limper calls. Turn is 5h, limper goes all-in with A7dd and Hero calls, wins pot. V must be like wtfffff?

Hero had T2hh

But if that's the case, why do you think V called my turn bet?

Results guys:

Hero checked behind OTR. V showed TT. Hero won with JJ and whispered FML :P