1/3 NLHE with a $10 Rock.
9-handed

Tight Player has the Rock UTG (800 stack)

Folds to Hero MP

Hero, learning
Hero calls the Rock. $10 (I have 1400, Villain covers) 88

(Maniac in SB raises 80% of pots, the standard strategy for most players is to limp with big hands, then re-raise pre)

Villain is a TAG, 30's, playing his normal good game.
Villian calls, BTN.

Maniac SB folds (unexpected)
BB folds

UTG/rock checks.

Flop J97
$30p

UTG checks,
Hero checks,
BTN/Villian checks.

Flop J97
Turn T
$30p

UTG checks,

Hero bets $25

Villain Raises to $110, BTN
UTG folds
Hero calls $110.

Flop J97
Turn T
River T
($243pot)

Hero checks
Villain Bets 220

Hero?

Thanks for a look at this hand!

Fold

He is showing extreme strength with that size raise on the turn and he is blasting pot size on river. Im guessing he turned the nutter butters with KQ and hes blasting the river knowing you cant have a FH. We only beat a stone cold bluff with the line he took.

Fold. At best you are calling to chop. I might have folded to the turn raise.

I actually might have bet that flop.

Pretty tough to call this down against a described TAG player. I do wonder how a tight player bets into this board once it pairs though. This can come down to your image with V as well.

You are 'forced' to call the raise OTT (with little reason not to call), but once you check the River this gives him the green light to fire again. With the board pairing you may have wanted to try a blocker bet OTR but no shame in c/f here either.

AP fold pretty much all the time unless you have lots of history .. V is certainly not giving you credit for much here once you check River. Does V do this with QT? What is your image once you call the Turn raise? Do you have a history of folding River bets on wet boards? GL

Step one is to think about what hands are going to call your turn bet; not many worse hands. Step two is to think about what hands are going to raise your turn bet; no worse hands.

You can't call an overbet on the turn hoping to chop with the worse straight possible. You especially can't do it with more money behind.

The turn is a very easy fold. It's not a very easy spot to get value from worse hands.

Are you value-betting worse hands on the turn? Aren't you at the very bottom of your range for betting? It's okay to fold your worse hands to an over-pot raise.

Was the preflop plan to LRR?

AP, agree that folding is necessary. Your hand looks a lot like a straight, and your opponent is not trying to run you off it.

Fold

He is unlikely to have 10-J (bets flop, or 10-9. He checked flop so KQ is definitely in his range. Only hand we beat is Q10. Unlikely he is doing this with an 8, because we block them. Would he raise pre with KQ? Would he bet draws on flop?
Would he ever raise 2 pair on turn?

Unless he is aggro monkey it is easy fold. Tag isn't bluffing river here. Wouldn't expect you to fold many hands on river.

My guess is he has exactly KQ.


What was your plan pre? Prefer to open in straddle pots or fold. 88 at these stack depth can't call a raise to set mine. If maniac is gonna raise 80% we would have to jam. Given our position not sure I want to jam 88 if there are callers behind me expecting maniac to raise also.

I hate folding 88. So I would raise to $25. To block maniac from raising and to get players behind me to play face up.

I'm not used to playing so deep, so I'll say that up front.

I'd probably just limp as well. MP seems a little too early for raising this and I'm not really cool with potentially building a bloated pot OOP. If maniac raises, we're so deep we can easily just see a flop to setmine, and being in position, we can even probably do a little better than that postflop.

I'd probably bet the flop when it checks to me. No one has shown interest in the pot with only one left to react behind us. Good chance our hand is best, it can definitely get paid off by worse hands (draws) where we can have turn/river options. We also have a draw to go with it (although a weak one that we're not too upset about being blown off it).

I also bet the turn as there are worse hands that could call (draws, two pairs, etc.). I'm done with the hand when raised. Our hand can't improve, and we're going to be OOP on the river possibly facing another big bet. Is Villain really expecting us to fold our straight here (given that's what our hand looks like)? I doubt it. Which means the absolute best we are doing is chopping (but we're behind / being freerolled by a bunch of hands).

I don't get to the river. Weirder decision now as Villain has decided to bet huge on what should be a fairly bad card for him. But I still go with my initial turn reaction (which is he's not trying to get us to fold a straight).

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OP doesn't say what Maniacs stack is, but rock is $800 deep and we're $1400 deep. When we call, there'll be $20 in the pot, plus Button's $10 for $30. I'm not sure what a typical raise here would be, say $60? Which means we'd be asked to call $50. If maniac is $1400 deep, our implied odds are about 30x. If he's $800 deep like the rock, our implied odds are almost 18x. I think we easily have the implied odds to setmine here (unless maniac is a lot shorter), plus we have position (where we don't necessarily be setmining on every flop).

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Turn is a Fold, V is super strong and wants our stack.

River is a easy fold with a paired board and the dummy end.

Note I open raise with mid-pair in MP with no limpers up front, raise to $25-$30 with the rock in play as a semi-blocker and to build the pot.

haha KQ is sooo pissed the board paired he figured I have to pot this bit ch so I know FOR SURE he has a boat if he raises!

Im guessing hes also targetting lower straights that cant fold

could be a sick spot to turn our hand into a bluff, doubt villain has any sets on the flop, possibly could have played JT like this though, unfortunately i wouldnt pull the trigger as i would have to think villain is a pretty good player to try this bluff

would be pretty awesome if he folds KQ and then we proudly show our straight as if it were for value lmao