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1/2NL: Turn nut flush, fold river when board pairs? Line check 1/2NL: Turn nut flush, fold river when board pairs? Line check

12-09-2014 , 01:40 AM
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Hero folds, V had TT. I think the fish logic goes something like this:

"Oh snap, flopped the nuts! What do I do? Check! Whoa, someone bet....but I'm out of position and deep. Better just call and play it safe, come on pair the board!

Turn - Sheeeeit, a spade! Now I don't have the nuts, better just call and hope that board pairs again.

River - Whoa, the board paired! I have the nuts again! But wait....he must have a flush now! He will bet again and I will check/raise him all in!

If V just open shoves river I probably call it off. Oh well.
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12-09-2014 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by wj94
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Spoiler:
Hero folds, V had TT. I think the fish logic goes something like this:

"Oh snap, flopped the nuts! What do I do? Check! Whoa, someone bet....but I'm out of position and deep. Better just call and play it safe, come on pair the board!

Turn - Sheeeeit, a spade! Now I don't have the nuts, better just call and hope that board pairs again.

River - Whoa, the board paired! I have the nuts again! But wait....he must have a flush now! He will bet again and I will check/raise him all in!

If V just open shoves river I probably call it off. Oh well.
LMAO

whered this feeish learn such fancy big words, position, deep
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12-09-2014 , 02:06 AM
I say it's a clear bet/fold vs. this guy getting 4:1 facing a river c/r. The odds would have to be ridiculously good for me to sigh call here.

I think 87 and T7s are pretty likely holdings.

Checking results now...

I see.
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12-09-2014 , 02:07 AM
Oh yeah... bet more turn, shove river, right? That's the better play... and then the outcome is that much more hilarious.

Don't love your bet sizing, think you're losing value vs. this guy.
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12-09-2014 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
Oh yeah... bet more turn, shove river, right? That's the better play... and then the outcome is that much more hilarious.

Don't love your bet sizing, think you're losing value vs. this guy.
I really thought he had a flush and was going to c/shove turn
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12-10-2014 , 12:57 AM
Is the V in this hand a regular opponent of yours? I can think of one or two regs I play against that I'd fold this against but without a lot of specific knowledge against a regular opponent, I don't think I could have folded. If he is a reg, sometimes it's hard to get opinions on a hand because it's hard to describe all the info you have leading up to the hand. You "feel" things based on all your history w the particular V.
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12-10-2014 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by eyurus
Is the V in this hand a regular opponent of yours? I can think of one or two regs I play against that I'd fold this against but without a lot of specific knowledge against a regular opponent, I don't think I could have folded. If he is a reg, sometimes it's hard to get opinions on a hand because it's hard to describe all the info you have leading up to the hand. You "feel" things based on all your history w the particular V.
Not a reg, just some random older guy playing typical tight-passive old guy style. When the passive players c/r river they just always have it...the question is, what is "it" in their mind?
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12-10-2014 , 03:35 AM
ugggh. How passive is this V? With your image I don't see how you can ever fold, he can have a K or Q high flush once in awhile, maybe and a weird straight that he spazzes with once in a blue moon due to your image? I dunno I think I'm trying to justify a call when it looks like we're dead. He should have 78, or the good ol slowplayed TT here super often. With your image it's hard to find a fold espec for this price.

FWIW in these spots I probably just shove riv a ton and once in a blue moon I'll value own myself but not nearly enough to be too worried about it.

Last edited by jsmo0th10; 12-10-2014 at 03:43 AM.
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12-10-2014 , 03:41 AM
Oh Snaps didn't realize the couple straight flush combos which would make more sense than a boat given the line.

I still shove a ton here on the riv and value own myself due to all the "absolute strength" hands you're crushing and will get called by in 1-2 NL
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12-10-2014 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10
ugggh. How passive is this V? With your image I don't see how you can ever fold, he can have a K or Q high flush once in awhile, maybe and a weird straight that he spazzes with once in a blue moon due to your image? I dunno I think I'm trying to justify a call when it looks like we're dead. He should have 78, or the good ol slowplayed TT here super often. With your image it's hard to find a fold espec for this price.

FWIW in these spots I probably just shove riv a ton and once in a blue moon I'll value own myself but not nearly enough to be too worried about it.
Well this was the only hand where he put more than $100 in on any given street, and pretty sure it was the only hand he was all in. Game was playing pretty crazy for Red Rock, but he never really played any big pots other than this one. I didn't shove because I thought he was too nitty to call with a smaller flush on a paired board and that he would only shove a boat. Would have shoved myself if board didn't pair since he can call with all flushes and maybe TT. When he called turn pretty quickly I thought his range was flushes and sets only.
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