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11-19-2013 , 11:12 PM
Hero just transferred into this 1/2 game and this is only his 7th dealt hand at the table. So the reads are very limited.

Hero Mp1 $315: not much of an image established, but if anything appears tight aggressive

Villain1 Co $650: white male in 40's. appears to be tight aggressive

Villain2 Utg $300: white male in mid-late 20's. tight aggressive image

History with V1: the hand right before this one. H raised $15 over 2 limpers, V1 called. Heads up to the flop that was J8Xdd that went c/c. Turn was a Qd, hero bet and V1 folded.


Preflop $7 *live straddle
Hero raises to $16 KQ
V1 call
Blinds fold
V2 call

Flop $51 QJ5
H bet $35
V1 call
V2 fold

Turn $121 2
H bet $80
V1 raises all in
H?
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11-19-2013 , 11:24 PM
Looks like a value range of QJ, JJ, and 55. Possibly AQ. Since we're not getting odds to call it looks like a fold.
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11-19-2013 , 11:35 PM
Against a range of JJ, 55, AQ, QJs we have ~23.5% equity. Calling $184 to win $465 we need 28.5%. If you add in Ts9s it's very close but tough to say without reads. If we add in other straight + flush draws to his range it becomes a clear call but we can't automatically think he'll play those hands this aggro. Our hand looks a lot like AA/KK/AQ and Villain doesn't seem too worried.

As played I fold.
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11-20-2013 , 12:03 AM
If I had the nfd and thought you had FE I would shove ai ott. I'm not folding this. I guess JJ and 55 are reasonable, but also any nfd or TPTK.
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11-20-2013 , 12:35 AM
Yeah after 6 hands at the table, I'm not nearly confident enough in reads to fold here. V1 only has to occasionally show up with draws/overplayed spazzing for a call to be +EV.
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11-20-2013 , 04:39 AM
Seems unlikely he would just call with a flopped set on a fairly wet board with a player behind him. I would shrug and call hoping he is drawing as well.
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11-20-2013 , 11:03 AM
^ yeah that's what I thought. However some players seem willing to take that risk in order to gain another bet
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11-20-2013 , 12:53 PM
I'd fold it without any reads. For him to have the NFD he had to call with ATs or lower, since the K, Q, and J are all out. And I don't think too many players are shoving with the NFD at 1/2 (although your game may play differently than mine).
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11-20-2013 , 01:08 PM
I dont get the people advocating folding after putting in 41 percent of your stack with a hand this strong. If you were unwilling to call an all in you should have check called the turn.
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11-20-2013 , 02:06 PM
Ranges are much to narrow, Villain is a random 1/2 player that Hero has no read on.

Ranges should include dominated Flush draws, AXss, OESD, KQ drawing dead.

Could be any of these against a unknown at 1/2 and we are easily ahead of ranges including these hands.
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11-20-2013 , 04:23 PM
With no reads can we assume that V is spazzing with a draw, I'm not sure. 2p or better should've raised the flop, but sometimes ppl take the risk of slow playing one street and calling
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11-20-2013 , 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jay_got_JJ's
With no reads can we assume that V is spazzing with a draw, I'm not sure. 2p or better should've raised the flop, but sometimes ppl take the risk of slow playing one street and calling
It's way more likely that value hands decided to slow play one street and then raised the turn rather than drawing hands deciding to bluff raise the turn instead of the flop when their equity is cut in half. In fact, I can't remember a time where I witnessed someone bluff raise the turn instead of the flop on a draw.
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11-20-2013 , 07:31 PM
^ yeah you're right. This is a fold then
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11-20-2013 , 07:43 PM
I pretty much never see someone raise with a draw otf at 1/2. A few guys lead with it, most check/call or are in pos. and flat. Looks to me like V1 is "protecting against spades," probably has AQ or QJ, but just do the math on hitting the spade/K, I don't think it's a fold, although I haven't done the math.
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11-20-2013 , 08:06 PM
^ it's close, but just not quite getting the price.
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