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1/2NL - Top 2 only a bluffcatcher? (additional confusion with exposed cards) 1/2NL - Top 2 only a bluffcatcher? (additional confusion with exposed cards)

04-12-2014 , 10:58 PM
Hero is low 20s, and been sitting at the table for ~3 hours and only shown down premium hands. Villain is a Late 20s/early 30s guy who has been at the table for ~45 minutes with no showdowns but seems to limp in from time to time (very small sample I have seen), not super active otherwise.

1/2 NL 9 Handed @ Mohegan Sun

Hero: $280
Villain: $210
HJ: $220

Preflop:

UTG Folds. UTG+1 Folds and exposes Q9 by accident. UTG+2 Folds. Villain (UTG+3) limps, HJ Limps, folds to Hero on the button with KQ and raises to 10. SB/BB Fold and Villain and UTG+3 call.

Flop ($30): Q74

Villain leads for $20. HJ Folds. Hero calls.

Turn ($69): 6

Villain bets $20 again. Hero raises to $50. Villain thinks for ~30 seconds and calls.

River ($169): K

Villain shoves for $144. Hero enters the tank with a big .

Not sure what I can beat here except a bluff even with Top 2 given his line, although I don't have a ton of history on the guy. It gets even more bizarre with the exposed cards as AQ becomes much more unlikely now (although still possible...). The donk bet seems to be characteristic of 77, 44 or even a flush draw that now got there on the river especially with the limp/call preflop. I don't think any hands would really be doing this for value that I can beat. Any advice appreciated.

Results will be posted later (he kindly showed afterwards).
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04-12-2014 , 11:25 PM
76 and KQ are the only combos you beat or chop with. I expect this to be the nut flush a lot. If he has KQ take note of how he played it, but this line is way more indicative of a flush draw that got there than KQ. I may have raised the turn blocker bigger.
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04-12-2014 , 11:28 PM
I'd make it more than $10 pf, I don't think you can expect either V to fold to the $10, it shouldn't be a sweetener, it should be enough to take it down pf but if we don't then we have position with a solid hand going to the flop.

I'd raise the flop so I could shove if a Q/K/heart hits ott. Make it 50 otf and then pot ott will be 130 and eff stacks will be 150. Maybe not shove ott, like 100 into the 130 leaving an eff stack of 50. That near-allin will get called way more often than the actual shove and both give V the wrong odds to chase the clubs.
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04-12-2014 , 11:32 PM
Turn raise was WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too small.

AP, you gotta dump it now. If he's bluffing, well, so be it. We need to raise bigger OTT next time.
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04-13-2014 , 12:53 AM
With the K and Q of clubs out there..I think V has the nut flush here alot...I would raise more than $10 here pre($12-15 sounds better)...after he throws that weak same bet of $20 on the turn again to "set the price", I like the raise(especially now that we picked up the flush draw), but the raise is too small...given how this played out, I think it's a fold otr without other reads...

Also, wouldn't mind a flop raise some of the time since most 1-2 Villains aren't leading flops with a set...but I think I prefer a call flop, raise turn line because I don't want V to fold QJ type hands otf
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04-13-2014 , 01:32 AM
I think you're right - you do have a bluff catcher.

Fold.

Calling flop is fine facing the 2/3 PSB.

If he made a normal size bet on the turn, I would not raise. I do think raising given his 2/7 PSB make sense (skews him weak and/or to draws) but you need to raise more. Probably $70ish.
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04-13-2014 , 01:37 AM
Oh yeah and $14 is probably a better size pre.
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04-13-2014 , 03:44 PM
Spoiler:
Hero folds and villain shows AK
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04-13-2014 , 04:17 PM
Raise bigger on the turn. I would probably have raised the flop bet as well.

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04-13-2014 , 04:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koss
76 and KQ are the only combos you beat or chop with. I expect this to be the nut flush a lot. If he has KQ take note of how he played it, but this line is way more indicative of a flush draw that got there than KQ. I may have raised the turn blocker bigger.
Pretty much this.

When somebody bets the flop, then bets the exact same amount on the turn, two things are true

1) They didn't improve
2) They weren't super strong on the flop to begin with.

Raise a bit more pre also.

Fold the river.


Legit LOL at what he showed. Don't admit to folding worse, tell him nice hand and move on. Make a note that he's a spazzing donk and never make folds like this against him again since he has the ability to spaz. It's a shame he hit the Kc and not one of the other two kings since we snap/stack him.

Maybe raise more pre, def raise the turn more.
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04-14-2014 , 01:39 AM
Pot on the turn after his bet is 90, with a great turn card, you want to raise to like 80-100 so its 60-80 more for him to call. His turn bet sizing pretty much tells us we are miles ahead right now, and we want to get all the value we can.

As played, his line can't have just any Kx hands that he's shoving for value there. You don't know if he has any bluffs in his range yet, so I'll probably fold.


Edit:
Read the spoiler. it's funny because i exactly thought about what kind of king he hit on the river that we can call with, because his line was basically "weak, weak, BINGO!". I was thinking if AK was possible - I didn't think he would be ******o enough to call a raise ott and float without a flush draw there, so I ruled that hand out because it wasn't possible to have AcKc or AhKh.

Last edited by Snowball2; 04-14-2014 at 01:44 AM.
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