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12-12-2013 , 10:34 AM

maplestar

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9-handed 1/2 game. villian seems a quiet and tight passive old guy based on my reads during a few orbits of observation. One limper,hero raises to $15 in mp with K

,villian in sb calls,limper folds. Hero has $350 but villian got me covered.
Flop（$32）: A

Villian checks,hero checks behind
Turn（$32): K

villian bets $20,hero raises to $75,villian calls
River($182): 6

villian checks,hero?

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12-12-2013 , 10:41 AM

samo

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B/F $80-$90, hoping to get value from AQ/AJ.

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12-12-2013 , 10:47 AM

iraisetoomuch

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Easy bet/fold. I like $800-$100.
He can call with lots of worse Kings, weak and strong Aces.

He should be slow playing a set almost never.
Same with straights.

Who knows what crap he will call with, but his range has about 0 hands that are better than yours.

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12-12-2013 , 12:01 PM

hfrog355

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b/f around $100

I don't like checking this behind.

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12-12-2013 , 12:32 PM

BradleyT

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Originally Posted by samo

B/F $80-$90, hoping to get value from AQ/AJ.

Tight passive dudes aren't really calling the turn raise with AQ/AJ.

IMO this guy has a straight as often as he has KT.

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12-12-2013 , 02:42 PM

daniel9861

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That raise size is overplaying your hand against an OMC. Hell I'm not so sure OMC leads an ace on the turn, much less pays off your raise with it.

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12-12-2013 , 03:01 PM

BVcardshark

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This isn't think value... There are plenty of worse hands a can call with,any K (not KQ AK) and he may call with any A.

I would bet near pot and probably call a raise given sack sizes

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12-12-2013 , 03:02 PM

Barbra Streisand

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Thin value? Are you serious?

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12-12-2013 , 03:03 PM

maplestar

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Originally Posted by daniel9861

That raise size is overplaying your hand against an OMC. Hell I'm not so sure OMC leads an ace on the turn, much less pays off your raise with it.

Yup,i figure that i might overplay my hand on this board vs this type of players,so we check behind,right?ppl always put me on ak,lol.

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12-12-2013 , 03:08 PM

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wj94

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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand

Thin value? Are you serious?

x2. what?

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12-12-2013 , 08:04 PM

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Chip Chimp

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I'm having a hard time constructing a range for this guy that you're a head of that would call a bet on the river. There are no worse kings unless you think he calls 15 bucks pre flop with king 10. A passive old dude is never bet calling the turn with just an ace when the board pairs the kings and there is a possible straight out there. Unless he can't read hands or is a complete mouth breather (which is unlikely based on your description and his stack size) I'm not betting this river.

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12-12-2013 , 08:16 PM

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iraisetoomuch

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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand

Thin value? Are you serious?

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Originally Posted by wj94

x2. what?

I can't tell if you guys are saying it's:

Not even close to thin, this is a super standard easy value bet.

Or this isn't close to thin, it's never a bet, we are always beat.

Damned internet.

Spoiler:

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12-12-2013 , 08:20 PM

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wj94

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Obvious standard value bet. Ax is always calling one more.

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12-12-2013 , 08:47 PM

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Pay4Myschool

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Not thin, I enjoy betting $100+

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12-12-2013 , 09:10 PM

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maplestar

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Ha ha,You guys are too optimistic about his calling range.I bet $100 on the river but he tanked and muttered "you have ak,right" and called reluctantly with JJ.I think its a marginal river bet vs such tight timid passive on these Broadway board.You need a better range to get fat fat value from these timid souls.

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12-12-2013 , 09:16 PM

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daniel9861

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The guy has to be a station to pay us off with worse in the spot. And OMCs are like the complete opposite of a station. The worst hand we're getting value from here is KT.

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12-12-2013 , 09:24 PM

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jambre

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Why are you raising turn?

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12-12-2013 , 09:26 PM

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maplestar

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Originally Posted by jambre

Why are you raising turn?

Yup,i overplayed my hand in the heat of moment and didnt think about tight passive style.

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12-12-2013 , 09:34 PM

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daniel9861

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In general we make money against OMC's with c-bets and sometimes double barrels depending on what hands they fold.

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