Standard opening raise in this game is $6-$10.
How would you play AKo UTG at this table?
How much PFR?
Ever consider limping?
C bet if you miss vs 2 or more other players?
Flop comes Ac 7h 8h, How much would you bet on flop with 4 way action?

I mean internet games are pretty tight, it would be 3bb raise and that would take down the pot or get 1 caller which you could most likely c bet even when missing.
Live with a bunch of calling stations is alot different.

$10-$12 depending on the game, never folding to a 3bet for <100bb's, no cbet if i miss flop completly, that A7h8h flop is scary, id probably check and reevaluate when it gets back to me.

If the standard is $6-$10, I'd bet $10 pf. With 4 callers on an A87 two tone flop, I'm betting near the pot. In a loose game, Ax is never folding and it is time to take people to value town. Somebody will tell you if they can beat you.

If I missed with two or more callers, I'd check much of the time. But I'd do that on-line, too.

Given your situation. I'm always raising here. Given the standard opening raise, I'm going for $10, maybe a little more actually.

Assuming I started the hand with $200

Ac 7h 8h Flop 5 players ($50)
Hero bets $50

Turn play will be to get the rest of the chips in. You could make an argument for over bet allin on the flop, but too many unknown variables.

If I miss the flop totally, I'm going to check/fold unless the hand changes on later streets. You have 0 fold equity against these players, so there is no point in c-betting. Getting all your value from made hands.

Im making this around 10 preflop. Im going to cbet some of the drier boards, but fold some...

Boards I will cbet

228
459
333

etc....

Boards Im not going to cbet

JQ5
JJx
89Q

On this flop, Im going to bet around 45 and ship a lot of the time on the turn. We arent betting boards such as QTx because these loose passive arent folding lots of one pair hands for the one bet. As such, they arent folding AT-AQ at all, and may call with some straight draws and even a strong 8...

Checkraises depend on the villain and their individual tendencies....

Not 333. Zeebo theorem.

I will take the bait here.
I have the button. I have 87 suited and call the raise and you are UTG and you bet $50 and I call, everyone else folds. Turn is a 2 spades.

You want to bet the pot again?
Bad play in this game. Does that $50 call tell you I beat you or I am drawing?

There are too many 'it depends' situations involved in this question... sorry.

I didn't know that you were a calling station donk.

Yes, donks can hit their hands. They can also call down Ax, too. Lots more hands that I beat that a calling station donk will call with than hands that beat me.

Of course if the standard raise is only #6-10 then the table will play loose passive preflop. This will be true in virtually every situation save one, that beig when you happen upon a live table of online players. In which case you get a table change.

Your raise should be $12 +2/limper in this game pending adjustments necessary to find a thinning level. Except, utg or utg +1, 12 will not be enough and you will only build a big pot oop. You will risk getting into a bloated flop pot with TPTK, which is a spot where you really can't get away from in a lot of cases because of the poor overall play and the SPR you will often see.

UTG there isn't really a good thinning raise amount you can use with AK that won't leave you either facing only big hands or just taking the blinds because you would have to go to $20-25 and that will fold out a lot of Aces.

Raise to $15 about 60% and limp the rest. Use the limp reraise play in appropriate spots. Its great to limp reraise AK and fold out the table and show.

C-betting missed flops against 2 is okay to do in a lot of spots but remember that player composition is more important than board consistency. It is a pretty common mistake to rate boards as if you were playing rational players online, it is more important to know the player because calling ranges are so wide. Some of these guys will call with any two pre but are playing fit or fold post while others will never fold if they get a piece. A probe sized c-bet is often the best.

No point in firing into a field of callers though.

When you hit you will think in terms of 2/3 of the pot but have to consider all sorts of factors keeping in mind that in live poker you are going to play for stacks with TPTK a lot more than you will online.

AKo at loose passive table? Raise for value. You'll get called by worse aces and kings, making it easier to extract a bet or stack postflop when you flop tptk. Don't feel compelled to c-bet if you get flatted in a bunch of spots. Learn to c/f bad flops.

I guess there are three main issues to address:

1. Do I raise or limp pre-flop? The answer should almost always be RAISE here. Because you want to take control of the pot and - if possible - you want to get rid of the trashy hands that might trail along to a limp that could outflop you easily (i.e., the 8/7o and 6/9o and any two heart kind of hands that would be trouble for you in this particular hand).

2. How much do you raise? At least $10. Whatever the "standard" is should only be a minor factor given that in any 1/2 game most people are willing to toss in 2 red chips if they think they can stack you with a big flop.

3. What to do on a flop of A/7h/8h with AK facing three other players still in the hand? I say you have to c-bet. You certainly aren't folding here to any bet, so you might as well take control of the hand and bet for value. Any Ace with a Q, J, 10 or 9 is certainly calling you. You might even get A/6 or A/5 to stick around. Re-evaluate on the turn if another heart appears...

I limp AK in EP often, but not at a loose and passive table, only at a table that is very aggressive or at a table with a maniac who can be counted to raise a lot of the time, or if I see someone telegraphing a raise.

Thanks for the compliment.
If you never lost with AK out of position to two pair than I don't believe you have played 250 hours of casino poker.
Your 8000 plus posts might impress someone? Not me.
You still have not answered when does the player tell you that you are beat?

Save the donk talk for your home game...

fer cryin out loud do you want us to play poker for you

IT DEPENDS...

friendly word of advice: do not raise more than you would with AA, figure on 8-10 standard i normally go about 9 so i can go 12 with my biggish pairs

Of course people have had two pair, sets and all sorts of other things. However, and this is the important thing, they've also had A-rag, T9, 65 and given me all their money. Overall, the money I've won from weaker hands exceeds the money I've lost because somebody binked two pair on the flop. One of the biggest leaks of players playing at the low levels of poker is not betting enough money when they bet.

Keep in mind the premise of this thread. OP is playing at a table full of calling station donks. Calling stations live don't pay much attention to bet sizes. If they'll call 30, they'll call 50. Since most of their range loses to me, that extra 20 is mostly profit.

I don't think you're a calling station donk, but again the premise is that the players in the hand are. One thing lots of people do in HHs is put themselves in the place of the villain. You've done this with this situation. You aren't going to be calling with A6o pf against a raise. You aren't going to be calling down with a draw getting 2:1 to see another card against someone is making clear they plan to make it expensive for you. You aren't going to jam over with your great hand on the flop.

My apologies for causing offense to you. I could have made my point in a different way.

Where, OP, do you say how people play postflop? Will they fold a worse A to a raise but give up or lose the minimum if an A flops? Will they assume you cant have AK if you limp and pay you off big with a worse A - where if you had raised PF they will put you on AK-AQ?

Ive played in many games where limping is by far the best strategy and other games where you have to raise - all with equally bad players.

If I don't know their tendencies I move more towards limping than raising as I think there are more live low stakes players that will get it in really bad PF with a bad A after a limp than there are after a raise, and I feel confident about my ability to know when someone has flopped better than 1 pr.

Open 5x UTG (or whatever your standard OOP open is), 4bet jam 100BBs if 3bet by a wannabe-lag in LP, fold if 3bet by old nit.

On A/K high flop:
Bet/fold on the flop
Bet/fold on the turn
Bet/fold on the river
Sizing depends on board texture and stack sizes. Aim to get stacks in.
Get stacked by slowplayed set/2 pair if villain never raises, boohoo Cbarton, we can't avoid them all. I'm quite happy to go broke betting TPTK.

On many other flops in a multiway:
Chk/fold

Worth noting that you had to hit about a 40:1 shot to get there after paying 1/20 of "standard" stacks. If the only reason you played this was to make a big hand and stack top pair for 100xbb then you paid too much and MAYBE got lucky if I pay off and don't fold 99-JJ on the turn, so congrats! Even so, you have 72% equity on the flop and 81% on the turn, not 100%.

Are you calling Ts9h on this board then shoving the turn when checked to? What about QcTc? If these are in your call -- shove range, then it's probably profitable for me to bet the flop and call the turn.

We like happy losers. We like people overplaying TPTK out of position. Keep it up...

Do you think people are folding 78 suited in this game for $12. Your question is really absurd. .."the only reason you played this hand..." Where are you coming from?

Follow the post, OP has AK not 99-JJ.
81% equity is not enough to bet with? Super Rock?
Back off.

Why should I shove the turn? Unless I know you are seeing sets around every corner and will fold. I have position, remember, go raed the thread.

QcTc, same I will shove if I am pretty certain you fold, otherwise I take the free card. What is the mystery?

I agree with everything Cbarton has to say.

/w TPTK OOP, I like to keep the pots small. Your hand is more of a bluff catcher than something that can lead 3 streets. In fact, stacking off 100BB on the flop on a drawish board is often better than firing 3 barrels thinking they are value bets.

You guys know that AKo isnt really a raising hand UTG? Doyle brunson doesnt fold AQo UTG and limp with AKo most of the time for no reason.

If every time you're in this situ (facing flop cbet, turn check) you KNOW beyond a doubt I have TPTK and not pocket tens, then you're able to see my hole cards. If you're able to see my hole cards, then you can play ATC in position profitably HU. So if your point is that you can play a given hand profitably heads up while looking at my hole cards, consider the point made.

My point may have been expressed with too much implicit reasoning, so here's the point: My range looks to you possibly like 99-JJ, AK, AA. (Maybe not KK-QQ because they're WA/WB on an ace-high board, so I might check the flop. Maybe not. If you're reading my hands accurately, you know how I play KK-QQ and whether they're in my range, etc.)

If you're so clever trying to mine two pair to stack me at SPR=4, then you'd better account for those times you flop two pair but don't stack me because I didn't flop anything I like.

The problem could be too many assumptions in my writing or it could be your muddled thinking.

(I'll address your other points, or not, as I have time later.)

This
Too many variables to consider in-game. Give some specific examples