Hero ($350) on button: First hand at this table, have played with V2 before but not V1, V2 probably views me as a good player since I've taken his money a number of times in the past.

V1 ($280) is UTG+1: 20's Middle Eastern kid, no reads since I've never played with him before. Doesn't strike me as someone who would be a solid player.

V2 (~$110) is UTG+2: Early 30's black guy, pretty donk-ish, does not vary his bet sizing based on size of the pot. Have seen make small bets into large pots with strong hands in the past.

Hero dealt K7

V1 limps, V2 limps, folds around to hero who raises to $14. Everyone else folds and both limpers call.

Flop ($45): T43

Checks around.

Turn ($45): 3

V1 checks, V2 bets $10, hero calls (raise here?), V1 calls.

River ($75): 6

V1 checks, V2 bets $25, hero raises to $85. V1 takes about 30 seconds and then goes all-in for $254. V2 tanks for a solid two minutes and then folds QJ face up by accident. Given V2's holding, is this an instant fold? If we had not seen V2's hand are we still folding? Why would V1 not raise the turn with a boat or quads?

meh that sucks. I think I might find a way to fold. Probably thanking Christ I don't have the Ace of spades.

And the turn is an easy call. You likely don't have any FE.

I think it is a fold either way, but V2 showing makes it much easier. There are just not any decent flushes left for V1 to have, he would have to be insane to be raising after that action with a ten high flush. The check/bet/raise/shove line on that board says boat at least and this is a bezerk situation for bluffing.

As for why check the turn, this is a common mistake. Villains check and hope the spade hits so opponents will bet more with flush rather then calling or folding a small bet on the paired turn. This is usually a mistake, but it can be right against villains who can't fold the flush once it hits but won't pay to chase on the turn. There is also a small chance V1 has 63 (even 66 though that is really remote) and didn't boat up till river. Not raising (or folding with 66) the turn is a big mistake in that situation but I see it from time to time also.

It is very doubtful a turn raise is working here. Your not repping much after the flop check around.

I don't see how V1 has anything other than 44, Axss or sixes full (or even 33). I agree that seeing V2's hand makes it an easier fold.

Given the river action I don't even think we see Axss too often and this is almost always 44, 33 or 66 (TT seems unlikely as do T3, 43, and 36, although the latter two are not always impossible for him to have).

I may be wrong, but I don't see avg. 1/2 players check-jamming over a bet and a raise on rivers in this spot with worse or with bluffs.

Kind of a sick spot.

I gave dude benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't be stupid enough to cold 3b shove a flush smaller than J-high with a bet and raise in front of him, so I folded. He didn't show so I'll never know what he had, but just has to be a boat I think...

Fold pre.

I don't like the raise pre. U have position so just call unless the guys are real tight. I think the river fold is good. He might just have a 3 but seeing V2's hand does make this easier.

Why no c-bet? You really shouldnt raise with these holdings and then not follow up with a c-bet or your opponents will figure out that you only c-bet when you hit.

I think you have to raise this Turn since you didnt c-bet the Flop ... although an 'obvious' $10 bet into $45 could indicate 1010 FH trying to induce just that. You save money in this spot should the 3-bet or shove occur. Only problem here is that you may have been 3-bet or shoved by the lessor flush as well!!

If you c-bet Flop, then it's ok to check Turn or smooth a donk bet with the paired board.

Generally when River pots explode like this one then there is a monster in the mix. You very well could have run into 66, which makes the somewhat weak Turn bet more explainable. What can V put you on other than flush or over pair with the line you have taken? Certainly not a 3 or straight with your PF raise.

Id like to know how this hand got to the River with the 2nd AND 3rd nut flushes out there ... and the guy betting didnt have either one of those hands!! GL

V1 checked the turn, it was V2 with QJss that bet the $10. V1 just smooth called after I called the turn. I didn't cbet the flop because I can't rep much of anything except JJ+/Tx and V2 was relatively short stacked so I didn't want to get check/shoved on if he had any piece of it. There's about zero chance that V1 has 66 here after a bet and call on the turn. TT/33/44/34/Axss seem to be the only hands he can have, but his flat on the turn just threw me for a loop when he cold 3b shoves the river.

Agreed. fold or call pre-flop. And yea river fold is solid, especially after seeing V2's hand.

Fold the river. Villain's not turning 3x into a bluff and you just got shown blockers to value hands we beat.

Probably folding even without seeing it.

I did fold. Was leaning towards a fold even without seeing the QJss hand but that just solidified my decision to fold.

Good fold.

If I can't cbet this flop vs 2 opponents bc of stack sizes, then I won't raise pre.

Raise Turn

Three possible outcomes

1) All folded. This is situation that will happen frequently enough that you auto profit from this line.

2) One of the guys shoved. Then you have an easy laydown on a paired board. You are often crushed when people reraised you at turn.

3) One or more guys called. That would often means you are way behind. However, you still have outs to make flush though.

--> If you rivered flush : bet half pot for value and you can safely fold to any raise.
--> Check/fold river if you misses.

If you had taken this line, you have actually played almost perfectly since LLNLHE players aren't sophisticated enough to counter this line.

Just ran into V1 at Venetian and he told me he had 66

he could easily have 66. the turn call was bad. if youre raising it pre you should raise on turn when you get the draw + over.

Contrary to popular belief, PF raise is fine. Even a call. K7 is obviously not something you include to play 100%, but neither should any hand.

1. For the love of God cbet. You'll have a better idea of where you are, most likely will take it down.

2. Raise the turn bet, especially since you checked the flop behind.

3. As played, probably a grudge fold. Grudge call makes sense, but hard for me with the obvious hit of the paired board.

This is definitely a good flop to C-bet. It likely missed your limpers, and there are not any draws out there. You might not C-bet this flop with AA, AT, but you definitely want to bet it here. One bet then check it down if you're not happy with the result.

If you're going to raise pre with K7s, you have to bet the flop. You're not going to have a flush draw often enough to raise pre just to hope to flop a flush draw to run.

Agree with this being a cbet almost always.

I also like a turn raise rather than flatting a $10 into $45 turn bet after flop checks through.

river painful fold, this is always a full house.

GRUNCH

FFS continue the flop. CONTINUE! Dear lord!