Hero probably has a nit image even though recently I showed down KQ when a villain short stack limp shoved AQ and I sucked out. 280 stack.

v1 is a guy in his late 70s likes to hammer pots w/strong hands really stationey w/tp. just barely considered loose/passive. 440 stack.

v2 in his 60s super loose passive. 100 stack.

v3 in his mid to late 30s pretty nitty. 200 stack.

v1 in ep limps, v2 hj limps, hero in the co raises QJo to 15, v3 otb calls, blinds fold, v1 and v2 calls.

flop is 9h6h2s
Pot is 58.

I generally don't cbet into 3 players unless it's a fantastic board texture. This flop qualifies imo. My plan is 2 fire at any over cards to the flop, potentially against the bigger stack I'm firing a 3rd barrell if the board cooperates.

checks to me, I bet 35, v3 folds, v1 calls, v2 calls.

Turn is 9h6h2s Kd
Pot is 163

Checks to me, hero? I have 230, v1 has me covered, v2 has about 50

65 seems a bit too low and 75 is good enough. So i go for 75. you've picked up tons of equity vs one pair.

V2 is going to call regardless, and his rang is anything with top pair, JT, same hand and draws and one pair hands. But can this get v1 to fold his 9T?

Note that the whole idea itself is high variance and I would only do it if I (personally) don't find any a better spot to make money at this table.

and profitability crucially relies on you shoving a Q river and getting called once in a while by a naked 9

Not a big fan of the way this was played at any point. I understand the conventional wisdom here for playing 1/2 is to make large preflop raises. I'm ok with that if we have value hands, but absolutely hate it with a hand like QJoff. The smaller the pot relative to the stack sizes, the more skill that will come into play postflop. This is why if you are going to raise a hand like QJoff pre then I would much rather you come in for a smaller raise pre and you can still manipulate the pot postflop to get all the chips in the middle if need be.

4-ways to the flop vs a couple of stations on a 2 flush board and we only have 2 overs and a backdoor gutshot, it's time to give up on this hand.

With two calling stations limping, I would overlimp with QJ in the co. Also if you had a stronger hand (like AQ), I would prob raise more than 15 since that sizing doesn't seem to work at this table.

In my opinion this is a terrible board texture to cbet into 3 people. What do loose passive players limp/call? Ax suited, suited connectors, J9-KJ. What do tight players limp/call? Weakish face cards, pocket pairs. All of these holdings except face cards got a piece of the board.

I am giving up on this board, double/triple barreling with air versus 2 calling stations is spew in my opinion.

Doesn't seem like a good texture to cbet. Any FD is calling and lots of pairs are peeling at least 1 card.

where is this fantastic board texture for a cbet into 3 people?? especially when one is stationy, one could have atc, etc. i'd much rather see Q82r or something.

Would you fire AKo into 3 callers on this board?

AP, i dont think our fold equity is great vs. V1 in particular, would just check behind and try to hit one of our 3 clean outs. Yes, great card to bluff, but vs. these two i dont think we have good fold equity, and anything but a shove pot commits them all the way (which we dont want when they call)

Disagree with this being a good board for us to cbet, especially against 3 players. That being said, once you cbet this flop, barreling this turn is pretty much mandatory.

I think the best line would have been to check flop and fire a delayed cbet on a lot of turns.

I think this plan is optimal as played. And doubt raising QJo against stations is right.

This makes sense; agreed.

Unless you can be (very) sure that a continuation bet is going to fold out all the hands your Villains have containing jacks, queens, kings, and aces, AND you can be (very) sure that your Villains will fold to a turn barrel after an overcard I don't see how a continuation bet is even close to profitable.

Preflop is a toss up, you can raise or limp behind. Which way I go depends on how much V1 and V2 will limp/fold. If they are the sort who almost always call after limping, I would rather limp behind. If they limp/fold a lot then I like the raise. I think the flop c-bet is OK. This isn't a great texture but it's good. Even with 3 villains the chance of a flush draw is low and there is a good chance the board missed them otherwise.

Continuing is bad when you get called by two villains with stationary tendencies. Take the free card and hope to improve because you can't bet both of these guys off very often. In this sort of situation, don't plan to barrel. The plan should be to c-bet once to fold out the air and then give up when called unless the turn really helps your equity.

Pretty sure this is in the bottom 30% of board textures to fire into as a bluff.

Id expect to value town 98s with an OP for 2 - 3 streets.

As a result I expect them to never fold to my cBet when I have air.

The loose passive villains and the fact that v2 is ss make me want to play this hand more passively. I'm checking back turn and hoping to hit a T.

1) As mentioned I don't think this board is good to cbet. It's pretty wet and connected vs two stationy type players.
2)Given that you did fire the flop, an offsuit king is pretty much one of the best cards to barrel. I wouldn't do anything short of a shove b/c that is any made hand some of the time anyways depending. The point is to rep ak hard which a shove would look consistent with preflop/flop action.

In order to to be profitable it would have to work about 65% of the time I think. Note if your called by 9x, you still have at least 4 outs for broadway, but depending how light they hero you your q and j could be live as well. What it boils down to in this spot is they are capped at naked draws, combo draws, second pair, and 9x.

The main concideration is will villain 1 fold his 9x enough to make a shove profitable. There isn't enough really in your post for me to answer that for you.

3) Other major factor is the long term history with the villain as well as the CURRENT state of mind of the villain. Hero's image at the table is also very important perhaps even more so because we need to be viewed as taggy and this being a value/protection shove. Without a clean image this is suicide.

stationy is such a broad description, because some stations vary significantly depending if they are winning or losing.

edit:

Additionally even stations vary considerably and have a certain pain threshold. ie) Calling a shove vs calling a 1/2 pot 2/3 pot bet in this instance. Some may have none but there are others who station and pay of a lot that when the bets or pots are much larger will fold the same range a lot more even if they think they are good. you get the tank "your full of **** but, I'll wait for a better spot/I don't wanna risk it/etc. what is villains and v1 probably specifically pain threshold with their 9x hands.

All that said, checking back is always the safe play if you are uncertain of your fold equity.
We have anywhere from 3-10 outs to hit and even better we have position on two stations so we can even valuebet 2nd pair sometimes if checked to on the river. this is a very nice disguised gutter to have. Especially because if a 10(offsuite hopefully spikes) openended 78 is fully in their range and you can double through v1 with high spr even. The 10 will also make a lot of two pair holdings.

I think the major mistake here is firing the flop vs described players.

I will agree that cbetting into 3 people is usually not advised, however, regarding this board texture- I would definitely Cbet it vs one player holding QJ. There are a ton of good cards to barrel, (AKT give us equity, QJ give us TP, and we can bluff the flush coming in too if we want).

But I'll check back here.

I ended up betting 65 ott. v1 tanked, stacked some chips like he was gonna raise and folded, v2 snap folded and I took it down. I've moved to a new state where the players are really much worse than I'm used to and quite frankly I'm getting action a lot more ainec compared to my old poker room where usually all but 1 or 2 ppl respected my play and I could get away w/these pots more often.

Since I've moved I often just check/fold when I miss or just limp then fold because so many ppl will call a raise and when you're missing way more often your winrate plummets until you get some flopped value hands and those hands lately either get no or little action or haven't been holding. So I've been experimenting w/cbetting a bit more often with 3 callers as long as the board is right for a dbl barrel where the texture shouldn't completely smash everybody like ATT or AKx. Also a lot of hands that call my flop hate nearly half the deck ott. A lot of cards add some equity, an 8, T, K, I can bluff an A and often a Q or J gives me the best hand.

At this table a raise w/QJo was mandatory. The table was quite a bit tighter than normal w/2 tight players on my left and the only really loose guys on my right. Most of my raises were getting folded or 1 call. In the moment I felt that v1 folds pretty often and v2 was sooo bad that if I had fe and I thought I had quite a bit based on his play I either had the best hand or a lot of outs getting a good price on the pot. The hand worked out but I'm still dubious as to the quality of my line post flop.

Even though I wasn't a fan of the Cbet in this particular spot, your thought process and rationale for c-betting is solid and will serve you well in future hands.

Grunch

The PF raise didn't accomplish almost anything that I would have wanted it to accomplish. You didn't get the btn, you didn't narrow the field and you also didn't get any of the limpers to fold after they put money in the pot. You also didn't raise enough which is likely why you didn't accomplish those things.

I'd raise to $20 at least, which is more likely to get players out. And with such a marginal hand, you don't mind if everyone folds and you don't have as much of an edge as you would with better cards (which means you don't get as much value from callers). As a result, you shouldn't worry about the possibility of raising too much and getting everybody out.

Since PF had a disappointing result, I'd check the flop and go on from there.

Edit: After skimming the responses I'm also okay with limping and I might limp if I played this. And there are a lot of overcards people will call with on that flop. It also doesn't look like the flop hit you, and players might put you on AK and make a loose call.

Oops, I thought this was 1/3 NL. Well in a 1/2 game I guess the $15 raise is okay (although raising a little more might be better, but maybe I'm being results oriented). But I'd still check the flop.