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1-2nl, pocket 44's, turned set, bad river, now what 1-2nl, pocket 44's, turned set, bad river, now what

02-19-2016 , 03:58 PM
This is a hand my friend emailed me. I told him I'd post it here to see what you guys think:

My stack (effective~220)

2 limpers to me, I have red 4's, I just call 2 off the button, and the button calls. BB checks, 5 ways $10 pot.

Flop

10, 2, 3

Checked around to me, I bet $10 in the pot, thinking I just need button to fold and I have best hand.

Button calls, BB calls, $40 pot heading into turn (lets just take out all rake now, $34)

Turn 4!!! shiiiip!

checked to me, I bet $25

Button calls.... BB calls. ($109 pot heading to river)

River A

BB checks... in this spot I think of all the hands that could be out, I figure 10x (even A10), maybe A5 which beats me, and maybe 2 pair with river A.
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02-19-2016 , 04:15 PM
I would bet a bit more on turn, but this is OK. As played, I probably check/call unless button bets and BB check/raises -- then I fold. They are not calling with much worse, and we can't handle a raise.

Info on villains would help quite a bit.

(Ouch on the $6 rake.)
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02-19-2016 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Info on villains would help quite a bit.
For sake of discussion let's just say they are standard rec players closer to the fishier side of the spectrum.

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Originally Posted by Javanewt
(Ouch on the $6 rake.)
Motor City casino. I think it's actually 6+1. So it's even worse!
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02-19-2016 , 04:35 PM
For standard players, I check/call -- even more reason they aren't calling with worse (usually), but will bet worse. (Still folding to a check/raise from BB.)
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02-19-2016 , 05:44 PM
I would size bigger OTT too.

OTR, I would check and see how BB reacts if BN bets. In this way you kinda have position and if it checks through you're relieved.

If BB folds to BN's bet, I go with reads and sizing in deciding whether to call. If BN bets and BB calls, I think I fold. 5x beats you and that's well within BB's range. Straights always go in c/c mode when the flush card comes in.
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02-19-2016 , 08:20 PM
Meh, I'll say B/F ~$50.
While the flush came out, it was a backdoor flush so they would have to have something like TX of spades. The only 5 that really makes sense is 5Xc, or BB could have T5, or 45, since he was in the BB. I think though that when people make a straight with a 4 card straight on board they usually bet out because they are afraid it will check through.

Your line looks a little fishy to them unless you flopped a set so they might look you up here with TX, or AXcc.
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02-19-2016 , 09:09 PM
I think you are ahead here most of the time. What is V calling the flop with 1 pair ...over cards.. and a club flush draw and if he is fishy a gut shot which is prob less likely.
You can prob bet for value to get paid by an A. If you get re-raised then fold as V may have backed into a spade flush.

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02-20-2016 , 09:02 AM
Vs. typical recs who normally shut down on the river, I'd B/F $55 rather than check and potentially lose value.

Except for Ac5c, A5 (nor 55) may not be in BTN range given the flop call. We can get looked by AcXc/TX/33/22.
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02-20-2016 , 09:13 AM
^ $55 is way too big imo. I'd say make a blocking bet of $35 hoping to get looked up way lighter.
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02-20-2016 , 09:38 AM
Preflop: Good.

Flop: It depends upon the lineup, but if the players are passive then the bet is good.

Turn: Good.

River: As long as BB is not aggro, check.

It's a little tough to give good advice on this hand without reads on the players.

Just my opinion...
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02-20-2016 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 6betfold
^ $55 is way too big imo. I'd say make a blocking bet of $35 hoping to get looked up way lighter.
I land here too. Their ranges shouldn't be very 5 or spade heavy and you are looking for calls from suspicious pairs and Ax clubs that just rivered top pair.
If they push then fold.

Checking makes no sense to me from a value persective and gives our hero the hardest possible decision if either villian sizes a bet for value.
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