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1/2NL: KTo turns TPGK on drawy board, line check 1/2NL: KTo turns TPGK on drawy board, line check

10-11-2013 , 04:37 PM
Hand at Red Rock during 6-handed play...

Hero (~$800): Late 20's, probably seen as LAG/super LAG to rest of table. At one point I had raised pre 6 hands in a row and won all 6, only 2 made it past the flop. Probably raising pre on 30% of hands at this table. Very passive, don't think anyone will 3bet me without QQ+ in this game.

V1 (~$100): Old guy, probably rode in on his brontosaurus as the guy next to me said. Seems to have a couple of screws loose, very slow with his actions both pre and postflop.

V2 (~$220): Probably mid-50's white guy, playing very loose-passive, something like 90/5/0. Only seen him raise pre with AK so far.

V1 on button, V2 in MP, hero in HJ.

Hero dealt KT

V2 limps, hero raises to $10, V1 calls, SB folds, V2 calls.

Flop ($31); 367

V2 checks, hero checks, V1 bets $8. V2 calls, hero calls.

Turn ($55): T

V2 checks, hero checks, V1 bets $25, V2 calls, hero raises to $95. Eh?
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10-11-2013 , 05:00 PM
I would just keep your range wide here. What worse hands are you going to get called by here? I think he folds A7, 99, 88, etc when you raise.

Therefore you are really turning your hand into a bluff and I don't see the merit to that.
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10-11-2013 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Brice
I would just keep your range wide here. What worse hands are you going to get called by here? I think he folds A7, 99, 88, etc when you raise.

Therefore you are really turning your hand into a bluff and I don't see the merit to that.
There are two players in the hand showing interest and there are multiple straight draws plus a flush draw out there.
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10-11-2013 , 05:10 PM
I think I raise more pre, to try and iso vs passive fish.

Don't really understand postflop play. You're trying to float both of them OTF? Then the CR to blow out all the hands you beat OTT?

I call turn, and expect to c/c a small river bet if the board doesn't get sick.
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10-11-2013 , 08:21 PM
Personally I would c/c after flop call, and if it checks through then I would lead river. It'll work sometimes, but you're turning a good made hand that only has a few (if any) outs into a bluff here. You're never getting called by 99 or worse (although I doubt villain has a one-pair hand considering the change in bet-sizing otf and ott).

Plan for if you get called and river is a blank?
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10-11-2013 , 11:15 PM
Looks good to me.

Only diff I make is to consider a smaller raise to see if you can get a loose call by both.

Your obviously committed with v1. Maybe v2 will call $75 on the turn since he's going to miss the river most of the time.

Just a thought.
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10-12-2013 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CRAIerrday
Personally I would c/c after flop call, and if it checks through then I would lead river. It'll work sometimes, but you're turning a good made hand that only has a few (if any) outs into a bluff here. You're never getting called by 99 or worse (although I doubt villain has a one-pair hand considering the change in bet-sizing otf and ott).

Plan for if you get called and river is a blank?
Check back most rivers figuring I got all the value I'm gonna get from combo draws. If V1 calls the turn raise he's all-in anyway.
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10-12-2013 , 02:07 PM
Fold or raise the flop. Calling is spewing.
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10-12-2013 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by peac b the journey
Fold or raise the flop. Calling is spewing.
Calling $8 into 47 is spewing? I have direct odds to turn a T or K at that price.
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10-12-2013 , 04:07 PM
I guess... But if T peels the standard draw gets there. Plus you could obviously be behind on turn. I just think since you raised preflop the best option is to fold or raise otf.. Take it for what you will... Donk leads are weak as **** sometimes
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10-12-2013 , 05:31 PM
either c-bet or fold flop IMO

as played i would just flat turn but it's kinda a mess
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10-12-2013 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dugthefish
I think I raise more pre, to try and iso vs passive fish.

Don't really understand postflop play. You're trying to float both of them OTF? Then the CR to blow out all the hands you beat OTT?

I call turn, and expect to c/c a small river bet if the board doesn't get sick.
Ya this
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10-13-2013 , 02:59 PM
Results:

Spoiler:
V1 quickly folds. V2 tanks for a solid minute, looks like he's about to fold, then decided to call. River 6 goes check/check. V2 shows K7dd
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10-13-2013 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Calling $8 into 47 is spewing? I have direct odds to turn a T or K at that price.
You're forgetting you still have to dodge a lot of outs on river even if all your outs are clean. Combined they probably have at least 7 or 8 outs on you. Not to mention you have RIO as proven by results. If you ht a K or T, it could give T7 or K7 two pairs and these are hands fish love to limp call
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10-13-2013 , 03:26 PM
Heads up is different but against two+ people calling with naked overs or a weak pair or weak draw hoping to spike two pairs+ is a losing play. You have lots of RIO and its hard to get a lot of value from worse even if you hit unless villain is a super station
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10-13-2013 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
V2 (~$220): Probably mid-50's white guy, playing very loose-passive, something like 90/5/0. Only seen him raise pre with AK so far.
Re: the isolation raise pre-flop, looks good given your description above (i.e. I wouldn't call it "standard" with KTo, but in this case, villain is going to station a ton of Kx post-flop, and you know he raises AK pre, so you generally are going to hugely dominate his limp/calling range, both with worse K's and T's).

Re: your post-flop play, also looks OK given your description above. You're getting ~6:1 on the flop with 6 likely high card outs against a station.

I do think you can just fold flop, too. which is my preferred play. You can't bank any bluff equity here, so you need to make your K or T, which you're ~7:1 against. You do have implied odds vs. the station, but you won't always make the best hand when you do hit. It's pretty marginal situation.

If the turn was just V2, then your raise is perfect. But the raise seems light 3-way, and V1 is a wildcard. I'd just call and play the river. You might get more value or be able to make a good decision based on river card.
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