Hand at Red Rock...

Hero (~$600) on button: mid-20s TAGish game, regs know me as a solid winner. Earlier stacked V with 44 on a J543dddx board when he had AJo with no diamond. I raised to 12 pre on button after a few limpers and got 6 calls. Bet 40 on flop with v as only caller, shoved turn for 180ish, a little over a PSB and he called pretty quickly.

V ($134) in MP: 40s Asian guy, really fishy, plays almost every hand regardless of raise size or stack sizes.

Hero dealt K6

4 people limp. I normally just fold here but decided to limp this one too. SB folds and bb checks.

Flop ($13): Q83

UTG+1 leads $6, V quickly calls, folds to me and I raise to $15, both call.

Turn ($58): A

First player checks, V quickly bets $30, I call (and think I may still have the best hand here) first player folds.

River ($118): 6

V snap shoves $87. Hero?

I fold pretty quickly , think he hit the ace pretty often

raise this up pre to $15+ or lay it down. you have a decent hand and more importantly the button. get this hand heads up in position vs a fishy limper.

as played, calling river shoves with 4th pair in limped pots vs fish can never be +ev imo.

I play the whole hand the same way. Now fold. If the K hit the river, I prob call, but no matter how fishy he is, a donk/call flop, then donk turn range on this board has us crushed here.

raising preflop, cant believe people think about folding this pre

folding river. the only thing i think i beat that plays like this is potentially JT. be a hero on a different board

How often has V been bluffing?

Why raise the flop this size? The only way this is good is if you expect and plan on taking a free turn a lot.

We have a pair of 6s?

Flop raise sucks

This is one of those spots that's difficult to translate the "hunch" or "feel" of the moment into a HH. Obviously you saw/felt something that propels you to call that we can't see. What range do you assign to villain?

That was the plan.

Agree, kind of hard to get the "feeling" of a bluff through a HH. I thought his range would be all flush draws, J9, JT, and don't really know what else I can put in there. A flopped two pair is going to raise the first time around or re-raise my small raise. He probably doesn't call the flop raise with A3 or A8 after the other player calls, he limped so I doubt he has AQ. Qx shouldn't be betting $30 on the turn here, so what can he have really? He is repping like two pairs only on the river with the shove, but what two pair can he have? Ax is usually c/c the river.

I don;t know...FDs rarely if ever make up the majority of a villain's range here. I think he should have, at least a pair to go with it. So I would guess: AX for his FDs (given the way the action played) and 45. He could have floated with AX (nonspade) and hit his ace...he could have floated flop 2nd/3pair and hit two pair on the turn.

I think once you add all of this up, there are a lot of value hands in villain's range.

I don't see how you can count out any 2 pair possibility when he plays every hand pf. He's going to be playing every A and no way he folds the flop closing the action for $9 with 50ish already in the pot if he caught any piece of it. He's got every AsXs, plus any A3,A8 .He's also the one driving the action, where he called down light before. I wouldn't be shocked if you called and saw a busted spade draw, but I think your going to see an A wayyyy more often.

yeah +1

flop sizing was bit strange their never folding obv, the turn is closer than ppl think but its probably whatever since he will likely just herp derp call otr with Ax

Results:

I have not played that many hours of NL, less than 500, but it just hurts my head thinking of a spot where it would be correct to raise with the intention of getting a free card. It seems to me that we should almost always (can someone give me an exception?) be raising the flop IF we think we have the requisite FE to take down the pot right there, and then taking a free card is basically a backup plan on the turn if our flop raise is called and we don't think villain(s) will fold often enough to a turn barrel.

I think the flop raise in the OP is actually really terrible. Someone bets less than half pot on a drawy board, and someone calls. Against these weak ranges we'll have the FE to make raising worth it (plus main villain has a smallish stack [but not small enough where he'll just stack off if we raise] so the argument of just calling the flop to try to bink a flush and stack him loses force). So in this spot, I think we should put a pot sized raise in ($30) and expect to take it down a lot and be happy.

You'd be surprised how often it works...

dont pretend that was your intention lol. you would of noted it in OP since you should have been aware the sizing would stand out.

nice call though will give you that (:

Folding would be pretty bad.

Don't like flop raise.